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I heard about it on the radio today. They said it was a pit bull terrier. Can't wait to rubbish the breed can they.

 

thats what thay said it was up here!!!

the media doing what it always dose :no:

lets hope thay make full recoverys

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It may well have been a"raging pitbull"....unless you were a witness whos to tell........the job of a journalist is to sell papers......the job of a dog owner is to be a responsable owner.................sounds like the journalist has done their job shame the owner didnt do theirs.

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Kane, it seems that the women involved was actually in charge of the dog as she was looking after it for someone else. Bloody tragic really. I wonder if the dog had exhibited tendencies like this before? If so then I agree, the owner should be brought into question.

 

In regards to the journalism, I'm just sick of the laziness that surrounds the tabloids when it comes to dog attacks and "pits." As an owner of bulls, I just hate seeing any dog described as such when they aren't. My bird's mam saw what dogs I have and you could see her recoil as all she has is the media image of what they are supposed to be like. I've even seen labradors who've bitten people described in the press as pit bull terriers.

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/devon/5039896.stm

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Feckin lazy journos,lazy dog owners.

The real problem is the owners,and i definately say that its not just a breed or type thing.

Ive got loads of dog owners round me that have absolutely no control over their dogs,theres the guy with the 2 labradors that think they are war machines,the guy with the golden retriever and german shepherd,a couple that walk this massive fluffy thing (dont know what breed it is,but it has a bow on its head ffs)that constantly worries my two and that has had a few kicks in the mush off me but just wont take a hint.

 

I mean its not rocket science,if you spend a little bit time on the recall its time well spent.

Bet they spend loadsa time getting their dogs to do tricks for treats tho,lazy feckers.

 

As far as this case goes,well,who can tell what the dog might of been thinking?

 

Anyway my best wishes go to the ladies concerned for a speedy recovery.

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my aunt lives about 5 minutes walk away from that womans house. she heard the commotion and took her mongrel to have a look. she was well pissed at the journalists, she said it wasnt a bull terrier at all(shes got a 14yr old ebtas well) it looked like a boxerxbullmastiff.

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i did read that mastifs were bread from war dogs brought over by the romans................

 

Breed by gamekeepers in the 1800's, cross between the english bull and english mastiff about 60/40, unfortunatley it seems it was doing what it was breed for all those years ago, that is take down a poacher and hold on until the keeper gets there, no matter what the punishment it takes, as he said they beat it with a sticks then stabbed it 20 times before it finally released :no:

If only the woman who was looking after the dog could use a break stick, but then again if it's been freindly up till then who knows??? I think it's always worth training your dog on command only to defend you then it's in a more controllable state if the worst happens and less prone to work itself into a 'numb' state where it locks it's jaws then turns off the switch in the brain. Most that have done tyre work with a bull breed will of seen it happen :icon_eek:

I hope the ladies in question get better soon. :good:

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Interesting bit from one of my old books about Bullmastiffs....

 

I propose to define my ideal of a Bull-Mastiff and his claim as a utility dog, “police, watch, personal guard and companion, or night dog.†My object is to guide the novice against pitfalls in their beginning, which so often dishearten recruits to a new breed. After thirty years experience in breeding and training, I see no reason to depart widely from the type set by those grand old dogs of the past “Thornywood Terror, Osmaston Viper and Shireland Vindictive.â€

 

The Bull-Mastiff should be fawn or brindle in colour (the former is perhaps at the moment the most favoured), while a little white is permissible, showing his inheritance of bulldog blood.

 

His weight should be 90 to 100lbs.,his height 27 to 28 in. ( a bitch may be 10lbs less in weight and 1 in. less height than a dog). I would rather a 25 or 26 in., and quality, than these 30in. and over dogs of the Great Dane type. A Bull-Mastiff should be active and free from cow-hock or splay feet, a perfectly assimilated 60% Mastiff 40%Bulldog. Little if any care has been taken in breeding some so calledbull-mastiffs. To produce a dog I had in mind, I set out with a well defined plan. Having planned my work, I worked my plan for my first pillar on the following foundation.

Taking a Mastiff bitch and a Bulldog, I produce a 50-50. A bitch of these I mate to a Mastiff dog, and this gave me a 75% Mastiff 25%Bull bitch, ahich I mate to a 50-50 dog. A bitch from this litter 62 ½ % Mastiff 37 ½ % Bulldog which gave me approximately my ideal60 % Mastiff 40% Bulldog. I repeat this from other blood lines as an out-cross and thus I established my “Farcroft†strain, and the Bull-Mastiff a standard breed of set type, which breed true – like produces like.

 

In general appearance massive, yet active, short back, skull large, muzzle broad and deep, lower jaw powerful, flews not too pendulous, mouth level, eyes dark, alert and firm with furrow between, stop moderate, nostrils broad and large, neck powerful, shoulders muscular, chest deep and broad, well ribbed up, loin well knit and hind quarters denoting power but not cumbersome, tail straight, strong and rather short, ears tulip, with a dark shade mask.

 

The Kennel Club having accepted the Bull-Mastiff as a “pure breedâ€, very clearly define what is meant by a pure breed.

 

So popular has the Bull-Mastiff become in recent years that is has ousted the Mastiff and championship shows held for the breed have big entries.

 

Kennel Club Gazette reads as follows:

 

“With reference to Bull-Mastiffs, the Committee, at their meeting of the 2nd Inst., decided that it is prepared to open a section among the “Any Other Variety†registrations for Bull-Mastiffs IF PURE BRED AS SUCH, and when sufficient be registered under this heading, according to the scale mentioned above, the breed would be eligible for a place in the Register of Breeds. It is, of course, most important to observe the distinction between a Bull-Mastiff (pure bred) and a Bull-Mastiff (cross bred), the former being a dog bred with both parents and the preceding three generations all Bull-Mastiffs without the introduction of a Mastiff or a bulldog. The term Bull-Mastiff (cross bred) implies the existence of a definite cross which has not yet been bred out, according to Regulation 12 of the Regulations for Registration.â€

 

Training the Bull-Mastiff

 

The Bull-Mastiff is a natural guard, a faithful and staunch companion. Kept exclusively to the family circle, he will quickly develop the protector without any special training. To successfully develop a dog’s intelligence, we must use our own; be observant; get to know your dog’s temperament. This must be your guide in his training. Get his confidence and respect by your kindness and firmness. No wobbling, weakness, or loss of temper, or your pupil will surely suffer by taking advantage of weakness or losing confidence in your show of unkindness. Your lesson should be short but thorough. If you fail to bring it to a successful end, it would have been better never begun. Persist with patience.

All dogs, no matter what their purpose, should be accustomed to the chain and lead, also muzzle. At four months old, chain your puppy up for an hour every day. When first you start training, take him out on a lead; do not allow him to pull. Firmly compel him to walk at heel. When you feel he will show you obedience, allow him loose; if he goes forward, call him to heel. Sooner or later he will get headstrong and show disobedience. Do not be too ready with the whip; follow up until you secure him, then scold and put him on the lead. Puppies soon begin to realise when they are in disgrace. Let the whip always be your last resource, but use it freely if necessary, not a mere stroke, but a thorough good hiding. To those who wish to bring their dogs into the wider field of police dog work “tracking, attack, etc.†must now go further. In training to attack at say six or eight months old, put him on a lead and get some complete stranger to rap him on the nose lightly but repeatedly with a folded newspaper; meanwhile you encourage him by patting and saying “good dog, down him.†Do not overdo your first lesson; several may be necessary before your puppy responds. When this has advanced until he responds to your commands to “down him†put on a muzzle to which he should be accustomed. Put him on his man, who will use nothing more than the paper, and push and pull him about, eventually falling. You now step in and firmly make him stand over his man. Never allow him to worry at his man unless he attempts to move. Later, to try his pluck (but do not be in too great a hurry in this), a stick may be used; this quickly teaches your dog too attack the stick or pistol arm.

 

Even before this you may be training him to retrieve, seek lost, and carry; this will be useful in the later training in tracking. Get a tennis or other suitable ball or an old glove, throw it a short distance, and tell him to fetch it; repeat the throw and encourage until he responds. Get him to give it right up. You must discourage any inclination he may show to play with it. Take the article between your finger and thumb and ask him to give it up firmly but kindly. He will soon take his lesson; give it up and be ready again. Do not tire him; leave off while he is still eager. Later, start after a throw or two to hide it, first allowing him to smell it; place it in some corner out of sight. Ask him to seek lost, and encourage him along with your hand waving in the direction until you get his nose on the scent. Follow this up, increasing the difficulty very slowly. When retrieving, occasionally allow him to carry some distance before taking the object from him and so teach him to carry. One person only should take part in your puppy’s training, and as far as possible, particularly in early stages, it is desirable a second party should not be present. Another early lesson may be to teach him to drop and lie until called. It will be necessary in his first lesson to force him down, saying repeatedly “downâ€; later, when he will obey your command “to down†raise your hand as you give the word; thus he will learn to drop to hand. Now step back repeating “down†still, then call and pat him for his obedience; if he rises before your call, take him back and put him down until he does obey. The distance should be slowly increased.

 

With this lesson may be incorporated guarding, say first, some article of your clothing. Place the article to be guarded by him, put his forefeet on it and “down and guardâ€, back away a few yards, leave him for a time, then return for the article. Pat him for his obedience, increasing the task according to his aptitude.

 

Tracking is perhaps the most interesting of police dog work. His early training to seek will now be helpful. First get, if possible, one of the family or some person well known to the puppy. Take your puppy by the collar, while the runner (person to be tracked) pats and encourages him to follow. Then let you runner get out of sight, taking a straight line agreed upon to his hiding place, 40 to 60 yards away. Then ask your puppy “to seek†encouraging his nose to the ground on the line you know your runner to have taken. Follow up even if your puppy shows little inclination. Never let him fail to find, and then reward him with a pat and a morsel. This must be repeated frequently, and the runner occasionally changed; the distance increased very slowly, but the course of the trail should never be over the same ground on two occasions. The runner in the early stages goes always “up wind†and on grass in a straight line. Make it as easy as possible for your puppy to succeed, but he must be taken to success if he is not to lose confidence. Once your puppy gets the idea, confidence will increase and improvement develop rapidly. You will sometimes find your dog working the line some distance from the actual track taken by the runner. Do not check this; a dog will often follow a trail yards to leeward of the actual track. When your puppy begins to show confidence in his work, have his trail crossed by another runner. You must know exactly where this has taken place, and when your puppy comes to the crossing, he must be firmly dissuaded from any inclination from the original to the cross trail. Never be in too great a hurry to cast you puppy back or forward; allow him to range about and seek, so long as he does not appear to be losing confidence. Keep him keen, even if you have to help by encouraging in the right direction. When he picks up the line again it renews and strengthens his confidence.

 

Now let your runner take a few short sticks with paper in the cleft end. He makes say, two turns, placing the sticks indicating the way he has gone. You will now find your dog working at greater speed. He must be on a lead or he may get out of hand and maul your runner. To prevent the strain from a collar on the throat, harness him similar to that used for pugs and bulldogs.

 

A Bull-Mastiff may be relied upon to be a safeguard to both person and property. I have on many occasions know a quite inoffensive dog to prove, not only his intelligence, but his qualities as a protector in a surprising and unexpected manner to the delight and thankfulness of his owner.â€

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I know this is a thought just spawned by the natural disgust and contempt which such reportage always brings on, it's simply another example of internet breast beating, but; If I was reported, in a paper, as being a Drug Dealer ~ which I'm not ~ would I not have recourse to the law?

 

(Yes. Ok. 'As If' I, a private and average individual am really about to go find me a solicitor and start forking out my meagre bit of pocket money against a news paper who probably retains a small battery of bent individuals, completly void of ethic or moral, not to mention insurances to cover that slimes fees .....)

 

But the 'Fact' remains, doesn't it, that to make such a written, public allegation against me, unsubstantiated, is covered by laws such as Libel / defamation of character, what ever.

 

Now, to say I'm a Drug Dealer is to suggest I'm a person of pretty lousey character, and a law breaker to boot, and that shit would stick! Equelly, following the Dangerous Dogs Act, to suggest I possess an Illegal Breed of Dog (Pit Bull Terrier) ..... Follow me?

 

How is it then that virtually every paper in the land feels at perfect liberty to go round haphazardly labelling random dog owners as law breakers? They can't (and don't) suggest everyone who parks on a double yellow is also a f***ing drug dealer. What is it that makes the accusation that you'd harbour an illegal dog and differant than that you'd possess illegal substances or otherwise commit illegal acts? What else might such a guy keep? Illegal firearms? White slave children???

 

Quite simply; They have now branded that absentee dog owner as a Criminal! And no one's going to say 'Boo!' about that Fact.

 

That's what sickens me about so much of this. I guess that's what people refer to as the cherished " Freedom of the Press " :angry:

 

Oh, and I'm Not sticking up for Anyone who holds unmanagable and unbalanced dogs of Any shape, form or supposed breeding. That dog attacked with out being told to. It refused to cease that attack when told to. It needs to be taken out of the pool. Simple as that. It was allowed to get out of control of it's keeper. For That the guy deserves to be branded a complete arsehole and probably banned from holding dogs in future. But this sort of ad hoc media labelling and hysteria whipping is just what led to that outrageous situation in Germany and the ripple effects of which many of us, to this day and into the foreseeable future are suffering.

 

Anyway, I'm out of here before I Really f***ing wind myself up!

 

B*stards!

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i read about that quite a while ago, its another saddening story and does the bull x whatever no favours at all... i remember [bANNED TEXT] we were about 11 years old my school buddy and i skived off school for the day and on the way home we found a stray lab/collie type cross. it followed us for a while so we through a stick for it to see if he would fetch it. when my mate went to take the stick off it turned and savaged his hand. it didnt let go until i stuck my foot in it. the end result was a hand that still doesnt close properly. it never made the news but i bet it would have it was a bull cross.

 

i think the absenteeism of the dog owner is to blame. this is just my own opinion but the reason i say this is that surely no one knew the dogs mind better than he did but still he left it in the hands of a woman who didnt quite know what she was letting herself in for. to me, doing that is similar to giving a loaded gun to the village idiot and hoping that nothing happens until i get back.

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to me, doing that is similar to giving a loaded gun to the village idiot and hoping that nothing happens until i get back.

 

Hat's off once again, mate! F*** me, you don't half talk some sense! :good:

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