17HMR

[Quasar 1]

Hello,

 

I am in the near future going to be appling for FAC as im interested in getting an 17 HMR for rabbits.

 

For those of you who have this on a FAC, how remote are you ?

 

Are any of you fairly close to roads or houses ? or are you in the wide open ?

 

The field we shoot on there is a road behind us well over 300 meteres away and the houses prob 1/4 mile to the right, but we will be shooting ahead where there is just fields n fields ?

 

on the basis of this alone , what would you say my chances would be on a closed FAC.

 

I know they come out top inspect the land,

 

just wondering whats near you, so i get an idea to get my hopes up or not.

 

Regards

[SportingShooter 0]

You'll have a closed FAC on your first grant anyway, no matter what the land looks like. It will be opened up after either the first renewal or after a year or two if requested. South of the Border that is anyway

[Quasar 1]

You'll have a closed FAC on your first grant anyway, no matter what the land looks like. It will be opened up after either the first renewal or after a year or two if requested. South of the Border that is anyway

 

 

Closed FAc is cool, as we currently have 1 permission which is 2 fields. ( or is that 2 permissions )

[Deker 3,478]

You'll have a closed FAC on your first grant anyway, no matter what the land looks like. It will be opened up after either the first renewal or after a year or two if requested. South of the Border that is anyway

 

 

Closed FAc is cool, as we currently have 1 permission which is 2 fields. ( or is that 2 permissions )

 

 

Closed FAC is a pain in the ****, but it's better than NO FAC!!!

[elvolcan 0]

My .17HMR&.22LR FAC was granted for me on about 30acres of permission on the outskirts of a village with a road running alongside 2 of the fields.

However most of it is really quite hilly, as it is in a valley, so there are many safe backstops which is important.

 

How many acres are the 2 fields you currently have permission on?

If they are large enough, you should go for the FAC - they can only say no

[Fidgety 8]

My land is crossed with footpaths and roads, houses nearby etc. Ok'd for 22lr no problem. Do your homework ref backstops and potential hazzards, be honest with the feo and have the quarry on the ground and you will be fine. Shooting experience is a bonus too. .17 hmr is seen as safer than 22lr.

Good luck

[Mr_Logic 5]

You won't have a problem there, all of my permissions have houses round them - I shoot HMR on a cricket club in the middle of a town. It's a nice safe round, bullet very frangible.

[Quasar 1]

Hi All and thanks for the replies.

 

This is the land ill be shooting on.

 

http://www.thehuntinglife.com/forums/index...c=81288&hl=

[the Verminator 0]

Hi All and thanks for the replies.

 

This is the land ill be shooting on.

 

http://www.thehuntinglife.com/forums/index...c=81288&hl=

 

after looking at that i might be a bit to windy for a .17mhr, as they are very wind affected. have you considered a .22lr, cheaper on ammo, less wind affected but less range, you can still take them a bit over 100yds though

[Quasar 1]

Hi All and thanks for the replies.

 

This is the land ill be shooting on.

 

http://www.thehuntinglife.com/forums/index...c=81288&hl=

 

after looking at that i might be a bit to windy for a .17mhr, as they are very wind affected. have you considered a .22lr, cheaper on ammo, less wind affected but less range, you can still take them a bit over 100yds though

 

Hi.

 

You are quite correct in your suggestion of being windy, it can get bloody windy there.

My mate missed a 20yard rabbit running towards us with a .410 mossberg...

 

When i apply i shall most probably put 17hmr and a .22lr

 

Cheers.

[Mr_Logic 5]

Hi All and thanks for the replies.

 

This is the land ill be shooting on.

 

http://www.thehuntinglife.com/forums/index...c=81288&hl=

 

after looking at that i might be a bit to windy for a .17mhr, as they are very wind affected. have you considered a .22lr, cheaper on ammo, less wind affected but less range, you can still take them a bit over 100yds though

22LR is considerably more affected by wind than 17HMR. Can't be arsed to write why, please Google it...

[the Verminator 0]

Hi All and thanks for the replies.

 

This is the land ill be shooting on.

 

http://www.thehuntinglife.com/forums/index...c=81288&hl=

 

after looking at that i might be a bit to windy for a .17mhr, as they are very wind affected. have you considered a .22lr, cheaper on ammo, less wind affected but less range, you can still take them a bit over 100yds though

22LR is considerably more affected by wind than 17HMR. Can't be arsed to write why, please Google it...

mine dont seem to be?

[Mr_Logic 5]

Right OK then...

 

See www.federalpremium.com and the rimfire section for the drift figures.

 

The reason is pretty simple - HMR leaves the muzzle at 2500 fps, give or take, LR leaves the muzzle at 1050 fps. Both bullets have similar ballistic coefficients, with some 22LR bullets actually beating the HMR.

 

This means that the HMR does lose energy, as a percentage, quicker than the LR, BUT the starting velocity means that over a typical 22LR distance (100 yards) the HMR is way in front for wind drift, because there is significantly less time for the wind to affect the bullet.

 

Contrary to popular belief, the weight of a bullet has no effect on its windage values. it's to do with velocity and ballistic coefficient. High initial velocity and high BC mean that the bullet starts fast and continues to be quick, which = minimal flight time which = minimal drop and minimal wind drift.

 

Have you actually had your HMR and your 22LR in the same wind at the same distance and compared them? If you compare the LR and HMR on a windy day at 100 yards, you will undoubtedly find that the HMR is less affected by wind.

[the Verminator 0]

Right OK then...

 

See www.federalpremium.com and the rimfire section for the drift figures.

 

The reason is pretty simple - HMR leaves the muzzle at 2500 fps, give or take, LR leaves the muzzle at 1050 fps. Both bullets have similar ballistic coefficients, with some 22LR bullets actually beating the HMR.

 

This means that the HMR does lose energy, as a percentage, quicker than the LR, BUT the starting velocity means that over a typical 22LR distance (100 yards) the HMR is way in front for wind drift, because there is significantly less time for the wind to affect the bullet.

 

Contrary to popular belief, the weight of a bullet has no effect on its windage values. it's to do with velocity and ballistic coefficient. High initial velocity and high BC mean that the bullet starts fast and continues to be quick, which = minimal flight time which = minimal drop and minimal wind drift.

 

Have you actually had your HMR and your 22LR in the same wind at the same distance and compared them? If you compare the LR and HMR on a windy day at 100 yards, you will undoubtedly find that the HMR is less affected by wind.

 

makes sense, i was thinking about over the different effective ranges though, like a .17hmr a 150 yards would have blown more than a .22lr at 75yrds i would have though. but as you said, shoot at the same ranges and the .17hmr kicks the .22lr's arse. only thing with the .17hmr is its more expensive.