.22LR Range??

[Deker 3,478]

Whats a good all-round range to zero a .22lr in for rabbit and foxes?

In my case, a moderated CZ auto using CCI 40g hollows.

Is a 100yds optimistic?

 

Sub sonic .22LR 40g lends itself to 50-60 yards...High velocity 60-100yards, but HP tends to be less accurate than subs and you will be hard pressed to get a respectable group at 100 yards with any high velocity .22lr, but plenty of power there to stop bunny.

 

Rabbit---Fox..the debate will rage on, the police regions show no consistancy, and I am simply content thet my .22LR specifically lists FOX on my FAC so no debate whichever way you want to look at it!!

[moosedog 2]

surely a fox must come under vermin, what would happen if you trapped a fox in a cage or snare and didnt have a shot gun, you couldnt use a 223 or larger you would vaporize the fox and prob kill yourself, you would have to use your rimfire, so you could get done for not having fox on your ticket, That cant be right can it ?

[Deker 3,478]

surely a fox must come under vermin, what would happen if you trapped a fox in a cage or snare and didnt have a shot gun, you couldnt use a 223 or larger you would vaporize the fox and prob kill yourself, you would have to use your rimfire, so you could get done for not having fox on your ticket, That cant be right can it ?

 

 

YES it is!!

 

Consider!!!! a number of regions are more than happy to issue Ground Game and Vermin on you .22LR, but absolutely refuse to issue FOX...explain that one!!

 

The arguement from most regions is that fox is a category on its own.........

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[cyclonebri1 8]

But is there any case live or proven where a shooter has been found at fault in shooting a fox with a .22. I don't think there is??

[redeye jedi 39]

im not having a go at anybody, if you want to shoot foxes why not buy a larger calibre and get the job done properly without the worry of maybe injuring the animal. ive applied for my fac and put a .223 on for foxes i know that i wont be shooting many but still want to do it right. (in most peoples eyes anyway)

[moosedog 2]

im not having a go at anybody, if you want to shoot foxes why not buy a larger calibre and get the job done properly without the worry of maybe injuring the animal. ive applied for my fac and put a .223 on for foxes i know that i wont be shooting many but still want to do it right. (in most peoples eyes anyway)

i agree but as i said before i wouldnt want to shoot a fox through a cage with a 223 and if i didnt have a shotgun what could i do, is there not a health and saftey issue here, there is a place for using a 22 rimfire to shoot a fox

[Deker 3,478]

im not having a go at anybody, if you want to shoot foxes why not buy a larger calibre and get the job done properly without the worry of maybe injuring the animal. ive applied for my fac and put a .223 on for foxes i know that i wont be shooting many but still want to do it right. (in most peoples eyes anyway)

 

Chill out and...........lots of different fox situations.....

 

Phrases you use above show limited experience get the job done properly so a .223 is getting the job done properly at 20 yards in the hay barn next to the farm house and stables in the middle of the night???

 

Generalisations with no open end always cause problems. in my experience there are lots of times when a .22LR with a 40g HP sub is the tool of choice, preference and ability!!

 

There are other times when a .243 and indeed, perhaps even bigger is the tool of choice!!

Edited February 13, 2009 by Deker

[moosedog 2]

im not having a go at anybody, if you want to shoot foxes why not buy a larger calibre and get the job done properly without the worry of maybe injuring the animal. ive applied for my fac and put a .223 on for foxes i know that i wont be shooting many but still want to do it right. (in most peoples eyes anyway)

 

Chill out and...........lots of different fox situations.....

 

Phrases you use above show limited experience get the job done properly so a .223 is getting the job done properly at 20 yards in the hay barn next to the farm house and stables in the middle of the night???

 

Generalisations with no open end always cause problems. in my experience there are lots of times when a .22LR with a 40g HP sub is the tool of choice, preference and ability!!

 

There are other times when a .243 and indeed, perhaps even bigger is the tool of choice!!

well said Deker thats the point i was tring to make but your better with your word than me

[drut 9]

You don't need to shoot a half inch group at 50 yards to kill a fox at that distance also - a fox has a reasonable kill zone, even the head, at that range. A 1 inch group is more practical.

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regarding fox and vermin conditions, well, I just got kicked off AirgunBBS because of that one so I shall be brief. Since firearms licensing departments do this differently, that in itself creates a grey area. Added to this is that fact that fox is widely considered to be vermin, so it's very ambiguous.

 

I got told by Thames Valley that foxes are vermin, so crack on. other people in Thames Valley got told different.

 

In a court of law, which is really what this needs, you would have to prove that fox isn't vermin to prove that someone breached the terms of their firearm certificate, which, providing all other permissions etc were in place and the fox killed humanely, is the only possible contravention of law.

 

I don't think anyone could prove a fox not to be vermin. Therefore, you would almost certainly not be found guilty of an offence.

 

HOWEVER, if you managed to find a copper that cared passionately about preparing evidence for the CPS to prosecute, you would already have had a lot of bother by the time you get to court.

 

We do need a court case for this, but I for one do not want to be it. I shoot foxes with my rimfires on a vermin condition because I was told to. My ticket is in for variation for another calibre, so I asked for fox on everything while it's there - while I accept they told me to carry on, getting it in writing is best all round.

 

Agree with you totally.Read thread on Airgun BBS and think you got a c**p response. Common sense is needed in choice of calibre and FEO area advice as well as BBS.

[Deker 3,478]

You don't need to shoot a half inch group at 50 yards to kill a fox at that distance also - a fox has a reasonable kill zone, even the head, at that range. A 1 inch group is more practical.

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regarding fox and vermin conditions, well, I just got kicked off AirgunBBS because of that one so I shall be brief. Since firearms licensing departments do this differently, that in itself creates a grey area. Added to this is that fact that fox is widely considered to be vermin, so it's very ambiguous.

 

I got told by Thames Valley that foxes are vermin, so crack on. other people in Thames Valley got told different.

 

In a court of law, which is really what this needs, you would have to prove that fox isn't vermin to prove that someone breached the terms of their firearm certificate, which, providing all other permissions etc were in place and the fox killed humanely, is the only possible contravention of law.

 

I don't think anyone could prove a fox not to be vermin. Therefore, you would almost certainly not be found guilty of an offence.

 

HOWEVER, if you managed to find a copper that cared passionately about preparing evidence for the CPS to prosecute, you would already have had a lot of bother by the time you get to court.

 

We do need a court case for this, but I for one do not want to be it. I shoot foxes with my rimfires on a vermin condition because I was told to. My ticket is in for variation for another calibre, so I asked for fox on everything while it's there - while I accept they told me to carry on, getting it in writing is best all round.

 

Agree with you totally.Read thread on Airgun BBS and think you got a c**p response. Common sense is needed in choice of calibre and FEO area advice as well as BBS.

 

 

Unfortunately the answer to all this FOX/VERMIN malarky is, there is no answer...as far as I am aware this has never been challenged in the courts!

 

Do I care..my .2LR is specifically conditioned for fox, not a lot to argue about there!!

 

BUT, I do understand the frustration/confusion of many, many others!!!

[Mr_Logic 5]

You don't need to shoot a half inch group at 50 yards to kill a fox at that distance also - a fox has a reasonable kill zone, even the head, at that range. A 1 inch group is more practical.

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regarding fox and vermin conditions, well, I just got kicked off AirgunBBS because of that one so I shall be brief. Since firearms licensing departments do this differently, that in itself creates a grey area. Added to this is that fact that fox is widely considered to be vermin, so it's very ambiguous.

 

I got told by Thames Valley that foxes are vermin, so crack on. other people in Thames Valley got told different.

 

In a court of law, which is really what this needs, you would have to prove that fox isn't vermin to prove that someone breached the terms of their firearm certificate, which, providing all other permissions etc were in place and the fox killed humanely, is the only possible contravention of law.

 

I don't think anyone could prove a fox not to be vermin. Therefore, you would almost certainly not be found guilty of an offence.

 

HOWEVER, if you managed to find a copper that cared passionately about preparing evidence for the CPS to prosecute, you would already have had a lot of bother by the time you get to court.

 

We do need a court case for this, but I for one do not want to be it. I shoot foxes with my rimfires on a vermin condition because I was told to. My ticket is in for variation for another calibre, so I asked for fox on everything while it's there - while I accept they told me to carry on, getting it in writing is best all round.

 

Agree with you totally.Read thread on Airgun BBS and think you got a c**p response. Common sense is needed in choice of calibre and FEO area advice as well as BBS.

Thanks for that. I really appreciate that - been quite lonely on there with my point of view!

 

Deker makes a good point on the fox calibre too. I've just got in from shooting, knocked over a fox at 50 yards with the 223 and didn't go to plan. Tool of choice there would have been a 22LR (or 22WMR) semi auto - I like the quick follow up if something has gone wrong. In this case I think the zero's not quite right, as two shots both went left of where they should be.

 

off out tomorrow to find out what's going on. On a more positive note, that's me off the mark for 2009, and the first kills with handloads (2 rabbits as well - the first not good either, second spot on, after I adjusted the scope on a hunch after the fox).

[deerstalker32 0]

60yds is fine for subs

if your serious about foxing then you should read robert bucknells, foxing with lamp and rifle, it will explain alot more about all aspects of foxing to you including calibers

 

heres a link

 

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Foxing-Rifle-Rober...l/dp/095402060X

[cyclonebri1 8]

Some commonsense seems to be appearing out of the gloom. My FEO almost twisted my arm up my back to put a.223 on the ticket along with .22 and .17hmr.

 

But why would I need one? I don't go out lamping, don't go out specifically for Foxies, but do probably take on average about 3 per year, usually when I'm geared up under a hedge bottom and may have a few dead bunnies scattered around. At 20-50yds I have no reservations about taking them at all.

 

If I wanted to set up specifically for Fox I'd go centrefire, but untill that day......

 

Like I said before, I never heard an issue of this being challenged.