poison?

[rabbit tourmentor 29]

basically weve been using drat bait rat poison and we dont think it works as there eating it but no bodys can you recommend a good poison which we kill the b*****ds cheers r.t

[Matt 160]

basically weve been using drat bait rat poison and we dont think it works as there eating it but no bodys can you recommend a good poison which we kill the b*****ds cheers r.t

 

How are you getting your hands on a professional use only product?

 

DRAT (active ingredient Chlorophacinone) is a first generation anti-coagulant bait. It has a 'cumulative' action, which means that it gradually builds up in the rodent's system.

 

All anti-coagulants have the same basic action; they replace the enzyme in the blood which causes it to clot (or 'coagulate'), gradually, the blood vessels in the body burst, usually starting with the finest, which are in the brain.

 

That action causes them to feel cold and sleepy. In most cases, they die in their sleep (in their burrows) so bodies are not always visible.

 

There is a lot of talk of 'Super Rats' which are those which are genetically resistant to first generation (and sometimes second generation) anti-coagulants.

 

The more usual scenario is that some rats become 'tolerant' to baits. Tolerance is caused by rats consuming enough bait to have an effect, but not enough to build a lethal dose (a bit like drinking two pints of Stella a night, after a few weeks it would have little or no effect). The main reason rats become tolerant to baits is by underbaiting.

 

The use of DRAT by untrained people is a technical offence. The label conditions clearly state that it is a 'Professional Use' product.

 

Perhaps you could give a bit more information about the site, and the exact nature of the infestation.

 

[w1ld1ng 5]

remove all the poision and get a sh*t load of ferrets to chase them away and eat them job sorted :crazy:

[rabbit tourmentor 29]

chickens mush so ferrets is a no no we buy the poison from the farm shop its corn with red stuff on it

 

 

hundreds of them anyone give me a name of a strong poison

Edited October 12, 2008 by rabbit tourmentor

[Guest jbswildlife]

basically weve been using drat bait rat poison and we dont think it works as there eating it but no bodys can you recommend a good poison which we kill the b*****ds cheers r.t

 

How are you getting your hands on a professional use only product?

 

DRAT (active ingredient Chlorophacinone) is a first generation anti-coagulant bait. It has a 'cumulative' action, which means that it gradually builds up in the rodent's system.

 

All anti-coagulants have the same basic action; they replace the enzyme in the blood which causes it to clot (or 'coagulate'), gradually, the blood vessels in the body burst, usually starting with the finest, which are in the brain.

 

That action causes them to feel cold and sleepy. In most cases, they die in their sleep (in their burrows) so bodies are not always visible.

 

There is a lot of talk of 'Super Rats' which are those which are genetically resistant to first generation (and sometimes second generation) anti-coagulants.

 

The more usual scenario is that some rats become 'tolerant' to baits. Tolerance is caused by rats consuming enough bait to have an effect, but not enough to build a lethal dose (a bit like drinking two pints of Stella a night, after a few weeks it would have little or no effect). The main reason rats become tolerant to baits is by underbaiting.

 

The use of DRAT by untrained people is a technical offence. The label conditions clearly state that it is a 'Professional Use' product.

 

Perhaps you could give a bit more information about the site, and the exact nature of the infestation.

 

agree with most of what your saying Mat but the case of blood vessel bursting is not caused by the posion. As long as there is plenty of Vitamin K, the serine proteases can be activated and clotting can proceed normally.

 

The anticoagulant rodenticides abolish Vitamin K recycling. This means that as soon as one’s active Vitamin K reserves are depleted, there can be no meaningful blood clotting.

 

In cases of poisoning you would expect symptoms to be nearly immediate but in the case of anticoagulant rodenticide poisoning, it takes several days to deplete Vitamin K. After that, even the smallest of jostles and traumas can lead to life-threatening bleeds and in the case of rats the muscle movement directioning cause these to burst and the depletion of vit k cause's them to bleed to death.

[Matt 160]

agree with most of what your saying Mat but the case of blood vessel bursting is not caused by the posion. As long as there is plenty of Vitamin K, the serine proteases can be activated and clotting can proceed normally.

 

The anticoagulant rodenticides abolish Vitamin K recycling. This means that as soon as one’s active Vitamin K reserves are depleted, there can be no meaningful blood clotting.

 

In cases of poisoning you would expect symptoms to be nearly immediate but in the case of anticoagulant rodenticide poisoning, it takes several days to deplete Vitamin K. After that, even the smallest of jostles and traumas can lead to life-threatening bleeds and in the case of rats the muscle movement directioning cause these to burst and the depletion of vit k cause's them to bleed to death.

Good points there Joe; I was trying to put the information into simple terms, but thank you for the further clarification.

 

The end result is usually a heamorrage of some sort, and the most likely is the fine blood vessels.

 

I'm less than impressed that an untrained 15 year old is able to buy a professional use liquid concentrate and use it.

 

 

[rabbit tourmentor 29]

actually i dont buy it nor use it i help my old man out we dont think the poison is working and just wanted to know if theres a poison which youd reccomemend not a fight just some recommendations hence the fact it says weve at the top and it aint a liquid concentrate anyway

Edited October 12, 2008 by rabbit tourmentor

[Matt 160]

actually i dont buy it nor use it i help my old man out we dont think the poison is working and just wanted to know if theres a poison which youd reccomemend not a fight just some recommendations

 

So, is your 'old man' a professional user?

 

If not, an offence has been commited.

 

If you read the replies carefully, you will see that I have given some advice and information, but for the record, I'll give you one more piece of advice:

 

I believe you live in Hampshire, which is a known troublespot. I therefore advise you to call in a professional, at least to deal with this infestation.

 

If you could give a bit more information about the infestation (the type of property, its location, the amount of time you've been treating), and anything else which could be relevant, we may be able to help more.

 

[rabbit tourmentor 29]

why do they sell it in the shop if you have to be a professional then?

[RatSnatcher 0]

It maybe how you are using it , how are you giving/ offering it to the rats?

[rabbit tourmentor 29]

its going down they holes and under me shed

[RatSnatcher 0]

its going down they holes and under me shed

 

I take it you are back filling the holes

[rabbit tourmentor 29]

yes a box goes on top mate

[Matt 160]

why do they sell it in the shop if you have to be a professional then?

That, is one of the 'quirks' of english law which is so silly. It is not an offence to buy it, the offence is to use it. The reason is that you may have someone like a purchasing clerk who is legally the 'buyer' and it then goes on to be used by a 'professional user'.

 

its going down they holes and under me shed

We need more information than that. Here are some starters for you:

Where is the shed?

What is kept in it?

How much bait?

How quickly is it being eaten?

Are there any livestock present?

 

[Guest jbswildlife]

sounds to me that you are pissing in the wind. you need to examine the area and estimate the level of infestation. working out the bait ammounts will come from that. average rat will eat 30g food daily and with Chlorophacinone they will require several feeds to reach level dose. there are other one feed baits out there, but take Matts advice get the pro's in as I dont think you are understanding the source of the problem, and with this ready made Drat the chances of it being mixed for large infestations is unlikley.