cyclonebri1 8 Posted September 21, 2008 Report Share Posted September 21, 2008 Guys, a little help please. About 8 years or so ago I let both my SCert and my FACert go. Midlife crisis etc etc. Previous 8 years each with a solid clean record. I had an FAC for 2 x rimfire, for target and rabbiting, plus a couple of 12 bores. Now at age 55 I would like to reapply for my FAC. Will my previous record mean anything? or is it the 3 years probatioanary thing again? Thing is I require the rifle for occaisional trips to "rented" vermin shooting on "allowable" land. Previously I had thousands of acres of farming land to shoot over but am now out of contact with most of that. There is the possiblity of 1 farm that I had passed as allowable that I may be able to enlist as having permission Any advise welcome as intend to visit area firearms officer tommorrow Quote Link to post
macberran 2 Posted September 22, 2008 Report Share Posted September 22, 2008 Hi there, I think you,ll find they judge each application on its merits. If you circumstances change and oyu let it lapse for whatever reason just explain. I let the SC go and had no probs......though it was hinted at about the paperwork, Bear in mind that each area varies on its FEO outlook though. Quote Link to post
woz 260 Posted September 22, 2008 Report Share Posted September 22, 2008 hi, your old liecence means nothing now,you will be back on 5 year probation,you will need atleast one farm deamed fit for the calibre's you are going to apply for then when you get more permission it will have to be passed off by your FEO.......hope this helps Quote Link to post
cyclonebri1 8 Posted September 23, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2008 Hi, and thanks fellas. I was thinking it may count for nothing, but what the heck. I had a block area of around 100 acres inspected and passed. It has been split up since but am still ok with 1 original farmer so will try that route. I was just hoping that once you had earned an open licence it counted for something I supose As I can no longer trudge the fields as I did I didn't want to base the FAC on a list of farms that I would likely as not not visit. My sole intention this time would be a few visits to various farms in Scotland for a bit of vermin bashing. (the farms I visited previously were all on appproved land and charged little for the shooting) Cheers again. Quote Link to post
cyclonebri1 8 Posted September 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 Ok since the last post I've been out and about, made a few calls etc. Local club has a 5 year waiting list so that route was out anyway. Talked to an old farming friend, brilliant chap and though I haven't been up there for a good few years he has signed the shooting approval ( this was the farm I had approved as "allowable", and when he saw my 77/22 Ruger he went out and applied for his FAC for one, so that stood me pretty well) Two old friends enlisted as referees, so not too many worries there. All paper work will be on it's way today, but just one issue that was worrying me is the bit about physical disability. Hopefully as long as you have at least one eye you should be OK? ( no desrespect to anyone so afflicted). It's just that do to a series of hospital bluders and an RTA I am now sort of classed as disabled, walking issues, back welded together etc. Can't see that this can affect the application? or can it? Anyone had any issues? Assuming not, I have been for a chat at the local gunsmiths. Now fancying another bolt action .22 and a .17hmr which wasn't generally available last time around. I never felt the need for any thing other than the .22 before as I only shoot vermin plus odd fox, but the .17 is very attractive in ballistic terms, am I on the right track? Quote Link to post
jamie g 17 Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 Ok since the last post I've been out and about, made a few calls etc. Local club has a 5 year waiting list so that route was out anyway. Talked to an old farming friend, brilliant chap and though I haven't been up there for a good few years he has signed the shooting approval ( this was the farm I had approved as "allowable", and when he saw my 77/22 Ruger he went out and applied for his FAC for one, so that stood me pretty well) Two old friends enlisted as referees, so not too many worries there. All paper work will be on it's way today, but just one issue that was worrying me is the bit about physical disability. Hopefully as long as you have at least one eye you should be OK? ( no desrespect to anyone so afflicted). It's just that do to a series of hospital bluders and an RTA I am now sort of classed as disabled, walking issues, back welded together etc. Can't see that this can affect the application? or can it? Anyone had any issues? Assuming not, I have been for a chat at the local gunsmiths. Now fancying another bolt action .22 and a .17hmr which wasn't generally available last time around. I never felt the need for any thing other than the .22 before as I only shoot vermin plus odd fox, but the .17 is very attractive in ballistic terms, am I on the right track? get the hmr if you can to the exta range and flat shooting is very handy and it will deal with the odd fox to Quote Link to post
Deker 3,491 Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 hi, your old liecence means nothing now,you will be back on 5 year probation,you will need atleast one farm deamed fit for the calibre's you are going to apply for then when you get more permission it will have to be passed off by your FEO.......hope this helps What is this 3 or 5 year probationary I see talk of here??? Quote Link to post
Squirrel_Basher 17,102 Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 Deker mate .Since you and i got our tickets ,many moons ago SOME police forces in their wisdom have introduced a period of probation for new applicants.A current fac holer has to baby sit the chap for a specified period and then write ,in length ,to the force in question about the way the applicant veiws safety ,quarry and other meaningful stuff .Just think yourself lucky mate as they can refuse a grant on the word of a mentor . Quote Link to post
woz 260 Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 hi, your old liecence means nothing now,you will be back on 5 year probation,you will need atleast one farm deamed fit for the calibre's you are going to apply for then when you get more permission it will have to be passed off by your FEO.......hope this helps What is this 3 or 5 year probationary I see talk of here??? the probation thing is to limit the amout of amo etc in circolation...people tend to buy rifles use them once and leave them in the gun safe,second reason is that too many people were getting rifle's with no expieriance what so ever and blasting away....one moron springs to mind is a chap that was using his 10/22 ...25 shot magazine for shooting flying phesents he was more than happy to do this untill i explained the dangers...the next chap bought a 22lr and 223 and didnt even understand how to zero a rifle and was taking 200 yard shots at a sign board over a public foot path and complaining he couldnt hit it...god knows were the stray bullets were going...i hassen to add that i helped them both out and now they think there feckin masters.....i have distanced myself from both of them .......................... as for being disabled it really isnt a problem in the eyes of the law.....should piss able bodied shooter off if your better than them though!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to post
drut 9 Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 "All paper work will be on it's way today, but just one issue that was worrying me is the bit about physical disability. Hopefully as long as you have at least one eye you should be OK? ( no desrespect to anyone so afflicted). It's just that do to a series of hospital bluders and an RTA I am now sort of classed as disabled, walking issues, back welded together etc. Can't see that this can affect the application? or can it? Anyone had any issues?" I have walking issues (Left ankle crushed in accident) & this was no barrier to FAC or SGC, my pigeon shooting friend needs two sticks to get about but no issues with his SGC, if this helps to reassure you. Quote Link to post
Deker 3,491 Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 'foxdropper' Deker mate .Since you and i got our tickets ,many moons ago SOME police forces in their wisdom have introduced a period of probation for new applicants.A current fac holer has to baby sit the chap for a specified period and then write ,in length ,to the force in question about the way the applicant veiws safety ,quarry and other meaningful stuff .Just think yourself lucky mate as they can refuse a grant on the word of a mentor . 'woz' the probation thing is to limit the amout of amo etc in circolation...people tend to buy rifles use them once and leave them in the gun safe,second reason is that too many people were getting rifle's with no expieriance what so ever and blasting away.... Thanks guys... Quote Link to post
Deker 3,491 Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 "All paper work will be on it's way today, but just one issue that was worrying me is the bit about physical disability. Hopefully as long as you have at least one eye you should be OK? ( no desrespect to anyone so afflicted). It's just that do to a series of hospital bluders and an RTA I am now sort of classed as disabled, walking issues, back welded together etc. Can't see that this can affect the application? or can it? Anyone had any issues?" I have walking issues (Left ankle crushed in accident) & this was no barrier to FAC or SGC, my pigeon shooting friend needs two sticks to get about but no issues with his SGC, if this helps to reassure you. If your dissability has no effect on any safety issues it will not be a problem...but each case will be looked at individually...I know a guy who powers about on his quadbike with his dog chasing him and blasting away with his shotgun at the same time, and he only has 1 arm!!! Quote Link to post
cyclonebri1 8 Posted September 30, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 "All paper work will be on it's way today, but just one issue that was worrying me is the bit about physical disability. Hopefully as long as you have at least one eye you should be OK? ( no desrespect to anyone so afflicted). It's just that do to a series of hospital bluders and an RTA I am now sort of classed as disabled, walking issues, back welded together etc. Can't see that this can affect the application? or can it? Anyone had any issues?" I have walking issues (Left ankle crushed in accident) & this was no barrier to FAC or SGC, my pigeon shooting friend needs two sticks to get about but no issues with his SGC, if this helps to reassure you. If your dissability has no effect on any safety issues it will not be a problem...but each case will be looked at individually...I know a guy who powers about on his quadbike with his dog chasing him and blasting away with his shotgun at the same time, and he only has 1 arm!!! Thanks guys, nice and reassuring, couldn't see how it mattered. Think I had the 3 year probationary thing last time, followed by 5 year open ticket. Female FAO this time, must polish up mi charm skills Quote Link to post
cyclonebri1 8 Posted October 28, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2008 "All paper work will be on it's way today, but just one issue that was worrying me is the bit about physical disability. Hopefully as long as you have at least one eye you should be OK? ( no desrespect to anyone so afflicted). It's just that do to a series of hospital bluders and an RTA I am now sort of classed as disabled, walking issues, back welded together etc. Can't see that this can affect the application? or can it? Anyone had any issues?" I have walking issues (Left ankle crushed in accident) & this was no barrier to FAC or SGC, my pigeon shooting friend needs two sticks to get about but no issues with his SGC, if this helps to reassure you. If your dissability has no effect on any safety issues it will not be a problem...but each case will be looked at individually...I know a guy who powers about on his quadbike with his dog chasing him and blasting away with his shotgun at the same time, and he only has 1 arm!!! Thanks guys, nice and reassuring, couldn't see how it mattered. Think I had the 3 year probationary thing last time, followed by 5 year open ticket. Female FAO this time, must polish up mi charm skills Just to put this one to bed as it may just help anyone in similar circumstances; Derbyshire police had deleted all records of me ever having had either a SC or a FAC But, it was a very helpfull/pleasant FEO that turned up about 18 days after the forms went in, it would have been less but I was away on holiday. He questioned me at some length to determine that I had a working knowledge of small bore stuff, as they didn't have the old records. Said he couldn't promise but would put forward a case to issue an open cert. Applied for 22fr and .17hmr, could have had .223rem but we'll leave that for a while. Open cert arrived 27 days after postingforms to derbys constbulary for that, didn't want to go through the allowable land thing al over again. Time to drool over some gear now methinks Cheers fellas. Quote Link to post
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