Which 204 Ruger

[pisces 0]

...there is plenty of .223 FACTORY ammo between 14p, FMJ Barnaul etc, and 18p, HP Wolf .....

 

I really don't know much about the differences between the various types of 223 ammo' available.

 

How come some ammo' is a lot cheaper than others ?

 

Is the cheaper stuff detrimental to barrel life or is it just less accurate ?

[Tikka T3 0]

some of the foxes i shoot are on large open fields.the 22.250 excels .223 is a good round ,but it cant touch the 22.250

it will piss over them ,dont worry about all the figures ,shooting one is the only way to judge and ive shot them both

granted its only my opinion but the poll proved it ,

who really cares about cost if you are on the range .fair enough but if like me shoot foxes and crows

then they are not expensive you can get reloading down to around 20 pence a round if you use your old brass

like i said ive got a .222 but thats a back up gun .if i grab a rifle i grabs the 22.250 no comparison

only thing i liked about the .204 was you could see your bullet strike .but when rounds went up to £140 a 100 that was enough

we all use 22.250 up this way .we dont like to stuggle if a long shot is needed.

 

again good luck with your choice

[Mr_Logic 5]

223 with a 40grain bullet will hold its own with 22-250 except for power, and against a rabbit or a fox, both have plenty.

 

But, 223 allows you to shoot the cheap ammo, which does a good enough job. 55gr wolf HP, vs fox at 200, no problem, and 18p a bang.

 

So... what is the point of 22-250? If you need the grunt, get a 243 and feed it 58gr ballistic tip. Flies as flat and hits considerably harder.

[SportingShooter 0]

The only thing I would say about the .243 over a .22-250 is that it is likely to be more difficult to obtain one on first grant.

 

I take it your in Dyfed-Powys police force Pisces? It has happened to a few I know down that way and they had to settle for the .22-250 or .223.

 

Just a Thought.

 

SS

[Mr_Logic 5]

Tbh, I had to as well. So in that situation I say 223, it still has uses when a 243 is around, unlike 22-250 which doesn't. It's bloody mad though - 243 is no different to shoot than 22-250, in safety terms. Gets me very, very annoyed!

[SportingShooter 0]

I think all centrefires and rimfires for that matter have the same risks attached to them.

If you consistently shoot without a safe backstop, the .243 is equally as dangerous as a .222 or less.

But thats just how these police jobbies are.

 

SS

[Mr_Logic 5]

Yep!

 

In terms of the disadvantages of cheaper ammo, it can be harsher on a barrel as some of it is copper-coated steel for the jacket, rather than simply copper. It's also a lot dirtier than the expensive stuff. It's still non-corrosive - says so in big letters on the packet.

 

And in terms of accuracy, my Howa shoots <.5" with American Eagle (itself only 55-60p a bang) and 1.5" with Wolf. But 1.5" at 100 yards is good enough for foxes a fair way out and a bunny to 200, which is fine for what it needs to do. To go to 300 yards, you would probably want the better stuff on rabbits, but even then it's much cheaper.

 

American Eagle at 60p will go that far and do the job, 22-250, 243, 204 are all £1+ a bang for ammo to do the job. (There are some cheaper exceptions, but try finding it...)

 

So for me, el cheapo ammo is good enough and saves me a fortune (remember, £180 for a THOUSAND rounds as against £100-£120 for a HUNDRED rounds). It gets shot at the range, in the field etc and ammo cost just isn't a problem. And I clean it thoroughly so while I grumble about the filth, it's worth the extra bit of cleaning.

[pisces 0]

Hmmm.

 

I've read somewhere that the Russian steel cased Wolf ammunition supposed to be bad for 223 barrels ?

[Deker 3,478]

Hmmm.

 

I've read somewhere that the Russian steel cased Wolf ammunition supposed to be bad for 223 barrels ?

 

 

WHY?????

 

What is it meant to do to the barrel?

 

And Why .223, they make plenty of calibres in steel cases, what about all the others???

 

Have you ever asked anyone who has used it about their barrel??? It's news to me and I use it a lot in my Tikka .223 which has very fine rifling, I have no problem. If someone knows something I don't and can tell me I'm going to get a problem I'd like to know please!!!

 

[jamie g 17]

i no there is a lot of cheap ammo in 223 but inless it fires really well in your 223 then i wouldnt bother with it.

after all the more accurate the rifle the better inmy book. if you are only going to use the rifle for vermin control then weather its 223 or 22/250 you get. buy the best and accurate ammo you can. even if it does cost a bomb.

 

im going to reload as soon as i pick my rifle up i have a guy that sells reloading kits with powder,bullets the lot to get you started. all for £160 pound ! a lad put me in touch with him that has just got one for his 222 and allread he is getting 1/2 at 200 yards with some ammo he i s trying out

[pisces 0]

Hmmm.

 

I've read somewhere that the Russian steel cased Wolf ammunition supposed to be bad for 223 barrels ?

 

 

WHY?????

 

What is it meant to do to the barrel?

 

And Why .223, they make plenty of calibres in steel cases, what about all the others???

 

Have you ever asked anyone who has used it about their barrel??? It's news to me and I use it a lot in my Tikka .223 which has very fine rifling, I have no problem. If someone knows something I don't and can tell me I'm going to get a problem I'd like to know please!!!

 

 

Here's what others have said about cheap Russian ammo':

 

"I’ve heard things about Wolf Ammunition being bad for barrels and other parts. For those who don’t know what it is, it is dirt cheap steel cased ammo made in Russia in .223, 7.62X39 and 9mm?"

"It’s junk. It’s cheap, and you get what you pay for."

 

http://www.jpservicez-searcharticles.com/a...Wolf_Ammunition

[pisces 0]

i no there is a lot of cheap ammo in 223 but inless it fires really well in your 223 then i wouldnt bother with it.

after all the more accurate the rifle the better inmy book. if you are only going to use the rifle for vermin control then weather its 223 or 22/250 you get. buy the best and accurate ammo you can. even if it does cost a bomb.

 

im going to reload as soon as i pick my rifle up i have a guy that sells reloading kits with powder,bullets the lot to get you started. all for £160 pound ! a lad put me in touch with him that has just got one for his 222 and allread he is getting 1/2 at 200 yards with some ammo he i s trying out

 

Jamie me old mate, I went into our local gun dealer today and asked about reloading powder and his response was that as carriage costs were very high he has stopped selling the stuff !

 

So, what to do now, eh ?

[Deker 3,478]

Hmmm.

 

I've read somewhere that the Russian steel cased Wolf ammunition supposed to be bad for 223 barrels ?

 

 

WHY?????

 

What is it meant to do to the barrel?

 

And Why .223, they make plenty of calibres in steel cases, what about all the others???

 

Have you ever asked anyone who has used it about their barrel??? It's news to me and I use it a lot in my Tikka .223 which has very fine rifling, I have no problem. If someone knows something I don't and can tell me I'm going to get a problem I'd like to know please!!!

 

 

Here's what others have said about cheap Russian ammo':

 

"I’ve heard things about Wolf Ammunition being bad for barrels and other parts. For those who don’t know what it is, it is dirt cheap steel cased ammo made in Russia in .223, 7.62X39 and 9mm?"

"It’s junk. It’s cheap, and you get what you pay for."

 

http://www.jpservicez-searcharticles.com/a...Wolf_Ammunition

 

 

Here's what someone else says!!!

 

Believe what you like, I use it in the field and down the range, I know several other people who use it and I first used it (.223) at 600 yards at Bisley (62gFMJ) when I saw a club using it and asked..have a try they said ..so I did and use it a lot now!!

 

It does not group (QUITE) as well as £1.50 top match ammo but it costs 18p per bang! Yep... you get what you pay for...if you're planning on entering the Olympics or you're rich, or you only fire a couple a rounds a year buy the expensive stuff! But show me any factory ammo at 14-18p per pop in .204 or 22-250!!

 

Enjoy your shooting!

[pisces 0]

Deker

 

Thanks for your first hand info'.

[Mr_Logic 5]

I also use it lots (I have 700 of them!) and it's done the job.