Lurcher and Terrier shows

[undisputed 1,664]

Just wondering what folks views are on these types of shows. One of the biggest gripes is that dogs that win in these shows are for showing only and dont have a mark on them. My mate was criticised by a judge because his terrier was missing some teeth through the scraps he's had. Maybe having two seperate classes would see some of these dogs get the recognition they deserve and stop some of the criticisms of Judges etc! what are people's experiences?

[Kay 3,709]

Just wondering what folks views are on these types of shows. One of the biggest gripes is that dogs that win in these shows are for showing only and dont have a mark on them. My mate was criticised by a judge because his terrier was missing some teeth through the scraps he's had. Maybe having two seperate classes would see some of these dogs get the recognition they deserve and stop some of the criticisms of Judges etc! what are people's experiences?

 

No idea how dog shows work but surely if a show is billed as ''working '' then things like chipped or missing teeth are taken into account

[Foxgun Tom 75]

Obviously the judge knew nothing about working terriers and it was'nt a a working Lurcher and Terrier show, If you want different class's for non-workers go to crufts and enter the Bichon Frise class, My club is the Neilston Working Dog Association, we pride ourselves at our show, as the name implies is for working dogs, for enthusiasts who work their dogs, and is judged by other working dog enthusiasts, A pet class at a show is fine!! as long as non-workers/family pets are not included in the other class'es

 

Tom

 

Ps: the last sentence in this post is my personal opinion!!!!!!!!!!!

[dogs-n-natives 1,182]

Just wondering what folks views are on these types of shows. One of the biggest gripes is that dogs that win in these shows are for showing only and dont have a mark on them. My mate was criticised by a judge because his terrier was missing some teeth through the scraps he's had. Maybe having two seperate classes would see some of these dogs get the recognition they deserve and stop some of the criticisms of Judges etc! what are people's experiences?

 

No idea how dog shows work but surely if a show is billed as ''working '' then things like chipped or missing teeth are taken into account

If its supposed to be a 'working' terrier show, then scars or missing teeth etc.. should not count against the terrier. It annoys me to see showy terriers win over good workers

[dogs-n-natives 1,182]

Obviously the judge knew nothing about working terriers and it was'nt a a working Lurcher and Terrier show, If you want different class's for non-workers go to crufts and enter the Bichon Frise class, My club is the Neilston Working Dog Association, we pride ourselves at our show, as the name implies is for working dogs, for enthusiasts who work their dogs, and is judged by other working dog enthusiasts, A pet class at a show is fine!! as long as non-workers/family pets are not included in the other class'es

 

Tom

 

Ps: the last sentence in this post is my personal opinion!!!!!!!!!!!

Sounds like you have got it right with your club there if only all working dog shows were like that

[undisputed 1,664]

Just wondering what folks views are on these types of shows. One of the biggest gripes is that dogs that win in these shows are for showing only and dont have a mark on them. My mate was criticised by a judge because his terrier was missing some teeth through the scraps he's had. Maybe having two seperate classes would see some of these dogs get the recognition they deserve and stop some of the criticisms of Judges etc! what are people's experiences?

 

No idea how dog shows work but surely if a show is billed as ''working '' then things like chipped or missing teeth are taken into account

 

My point exactly!

[undisputed 1,664]

Obviously the judge knew nothing about working terriers and it was'nt a a working Lurcher and Terrier show, If you want different class's for non-workers go to crufts and enter the Bichon Frise class, My club is the Neilston Working Dog Association, we pride ourselves at our show, as the name implies is for working dogs, for enthusiasts who work their dogs, and is judged by other working dog enthusiasts, A pet class at a show is fine!! as long as non-workers/family pets are not included in the other class'es

 

Tom

 

Ps: the last sentence in this post is my personal opinion!!!!!!!!!!!

 

My point about seperate classes for workers and showers was more of a discussion point. You hear comments all the time all the time standing at the ring. Of course this could be sour grapes but this might stop criticism of judges who after all are only offering their opinion. The show I was referring to was at the Stirling game fair the other week so you might be right. I've heard a lot of good things about the neilston show. Got my two Jacks from guys out there. I was hoping to get to this years event but had other commitments maybe next year.

[undisputed 1,664]

Just wondering what folks views are on these types of shows. One of the biggest gripes is that dogs that win in these shows are for showing only and dont have a mark on them. My mate was criticised by a judge because his terrier was missing some teeth through the scraps he's had. Maybe having two seperate classes would see some of these dogs get the recognition they deserve and stop some of the criticisms of Judges etc! what are people's experiences?

 

No idea how dog shows work but surely if a show is billed as ''working '' then things like chipped or missing teeth are taken into account

If its supposed to be a 'working' terrier show, then scars or missing teeth etc.. should not count against the terrier. It annoys me to see showy terriers win over good workers

 

Yeah know what you mean,but there can only be one winner and after all its supposed to be a bit of fun. But I feel more recognition should be given to working dogs...lurchers as well as terriers after all looks dont kill.

[Missie 1]

I agree with what you are saying but showing is all down to looks is it not? Surely the point of a show regardless of which breed of dog is being shown is down to whichever dog represents the breed in the best way.

 

Look at hound shows, some of the best hounds aren't always the best looking or with the best conformation and wouldn't win prizes but are held in high regard within the hunt because of their ability in the field.

 

I see showing as a bit of fun, I enter my dogs if i'm at a show with relevant classes for them but if they get placed then they do if not then who cares.

 

I do think at a working show blemishes shouldn't count against a dog but at the end of the day its down to the judges discretion and his or her idea of the best example of the breed on the day.

[desertdog 149]

you cant judge a dogs working ability in the ring, and if it has scars ,missing teeth, etc, then the chances are it has seen work, but not all judges think like that. a decent judge should be unbiased, and if he or she is a working dog person should pick the tool for the job, and its a thankless job at that, you cant please everyone, and after all is said and done, he is the judge ,he is the law

[Foxgun Tom 75]

At the end of the day Show's are for fun and to meet up with old frieds you dont see from one end of the year to the next Also working dog shows are about working dogs If I was judging terriers and out of the three finalists two had a couple of battle scars and one did'nt that would give me an indication of what dogs are doing the business, If one without battle honours had the same or similar breed confirmation as the one without any marking, I'm afraid the war vetran gets it!! and his battle embitterd buddie gets second the preened and pansy pet comes 3rd despite having better confirmation than the dog thats came second as he's obviously a non-worker fact is he should never be in a working terrier showring never mind the final three "there's always the pet class

 

Tom

[desertdog 149]

EXACTLY, IAM THE JUDGE I AM THE LAW.

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Just wondering what folks views are on these types of shows. One of the biggest gripes is that dogs that win in these shows are for showing only and dont have a mark on them. My mate was criticised by a judge because his terrier was missing some teeth through the scraps he's had. Maybe having two seperate classes would see some of these dogs get the recognition they deserve and stop some of the criticisms of Judges etc! what are people's experiences?

some shows have a class for entered terriers, as for your mate being criticised for his dog having some teeth missing, well, i would of told the so call terrier judge, of a working terrier show, to f**k off to crufts.

[SEAN3513 7]

to much snobery in dog shows now a days.

 

i remember seeing good old fashioned working dogs winning years ago........as the ones youve described.

 

but now....it seems ....unless its immaculate, perfect posture etc etc ........youv'e no chance.

 

at a local show last year the same judge.......judged every catergory!!!!!!!!!!! and his speciality was apparently toy dogs!!!!!!!!!!

 

and since the BAN do you not think "working" dogs are frowned upon???

 

all the best

 

sean

[Kay 3,709]

Never shown a dog in my life but i have shown ferrets & in days gone by i have known people enter there ferrets in the appropriate class & any ferrets who didnt stand a chance of a prize in the colour classes were entered in the '' working class'' or working pairs class if there was one basically because they knew there wouldnt be many entrys in that class baring in mind 99% of attendees were simply pet owners

 

I did go to many shows & couldnt be arsed with the amount of hormonal females who stamped there feet when little '' flump'' didnt get a ribbon oh i love ferret shows