Farage and Boris responsible for small boats.

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Interesting reading lads good points both sides and nobody chucking the toys out and starting the insults. Fair play

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24 minutes ago, chartpolski said:

Why shouldn’t we mention Blair ?

It was he who opened the door to mass uncontrolled immigration, it was his Chancellor that sold of our gold at rock bottom prices, it was Blair who took us into an illegal war , it was his advisor Campbell who made up the “ dodgy dossier “ ! 
So yes, I WILL quote you Blair.

Cheers.

Blair was about as left wing as Hitler FFS. Lol

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1 minute ago, Seagull said:

Blair was about as left wing as Hitler FFS. Lol

Godwins Law invoked ! 
LOL 

Cheers.

[chartpolski 27,525]

19 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

Left field (as ever). The politician I most admire was a fella called Attaturk.

He moved Turkey from the dark ages into a modern successful state. He discouraged muslim dress and, incr edibly, people supported him and ditched the Fez and the burka

The present right wing incumbent is busy building mosques including a super mosque reflective of his ego. Meanwhile inflation soars and women are back in their burkas.

Religion and a repressive state always keep people back.

 

Hmm, interesting .

Are you saying Kamal Attaturk was left wing ?

I haven’t studied him much , but I understand he was a somewhat reluctant “Young Turk “ who espoused nationalism rather than internationalism.

He seems to me to have been a leader of an Islamic state that wanted to securalise  Turkey and move more towards a western type democracy .

So I don’t know if he could be classed as left or right. 
Middle East/ Islamist politics may transcend both ideologies.

Cheets.

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10 minutes ago, chartpolski said:

Hmm, interesting .

Are you saying Kamal Attaturk was left wing ?

I haven’t studied him much , but I understand he was a somewhat reluctant “Young Turk “ who espoused nationalism rather than internationalism.

He seems to me to have been a leader of an Islamic state that wanted to securalise  Turkey and move more towards a western type democracy .

So I don’t know if he could be classed as left or right. 
Middle East/ Islamist politics may transcend both ideologies.

Cheets.

Fair. I've just read a biography about him. I was " transcending" a left or right polarity. He just got things done and bettered the lives of Turkey's citizens and as I said he brought Turkey out of the middle ages. Nobody really gives a shit about ideology imo. They just want a fairer crack of the whip. Oops echoes of empire there.

 

 

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12 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

Fair. I've just read a biography about him. I was " transcending" a left or right polarity. He just got things done and bettered the lives of Turkey's citizens and as I said he brought Turkey out of the middle ages. Nobody really gives a shit about ideology imo. They just want a fairer crack of the whip. Oops echoes of empire there.

 

 

Possibly what I call a “benevolent dictator “ ?

Cheers.

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34 minutes ago, chartpolski said:

Possibly what I call a “benevolent dictator “ ?

Cheers.

Why not? People need a hand up. Most don't want a hand out.

A tiny rant  I promise. I've just been thinking how easy it was to make money compared to now.  A self employed forester in the early 70s could earn good money. Now it's barely minimum wage. I was a commercial fisherman and the money was shared 2 shares for the skipper (because it was his boat and gear) and a single share for the rest of us. Within 2 years I had a deposit on a smallholding. Now it's foreigners on less than minimum wage.

I used to do shut downs. We would move into  a company whilst they were shut for holidays and repair.... painting, plastering, electrical work, plumbing etc. The first tender I put in for two weeks work was worth more than I'd earned for a whole year previously. Granted I had to pay people but I was still mega rich, especially when you are doing two or 3 shut downs a month. I know guys who made a fortune building up window cleaning rounds moving on to industrial cleaning.

But it's all red tape, computer says no these days. People are hamstrung, not helped.

 

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Just now, jukel123 said:

Why not? People need a hand up. Most don't want a hand out.

A tiny rant  I promise. I've just been thinking how easy it was to make money compared to now.  A self employed forester in the early 70s could earn good money. Now it's barely minimum wage. I was a commercial fisherman and the money was shared 2 shares for the skipper (because it was his boat and gear) and a single share for the rest of us. Within 2 years I had a deposit on a smallholding. Now it's foreigners on less than minimum wage.

I used to do shut downs. We would move into  a company whilst they were shut for holidays and repair.... painting, plastering, electrical work, plumbing etc. The first tender I put in for two weeks work was worth more than I'd earned for a whole year previously. Granted I had to pay people but I was still mega rich, especially when you are doing two or 3 shut downs a month. I know guys who made a fortune building up window cleaning rounds moving on to industrial cleaning.

But it's all red tape, computer says no these days. People are hamstrung, not helped.

 

I had a good job with an engineering company but when marriage and family came along, I took Norman Tebbits advice, ( it was his funeral today), and got on my bike and made the momentous decision to seek my fortune abroad.

Twenty six years later I was in the position at 51 to retire and do what I wanted.

Of course not everyone can do that, but as a lad from the city centre slums of Newcastle and one of the worst sink council estates, I don’t think it’s our of reach for most people that really want it .

Cheers.

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2 hours ago, jukel123 said:

Gentlemen. Enough fairy stories . Kind-hearted gentry, selfless clerics and unreasonable workers who bankrupt their employers. Jack a f****n nory.

Nobody has written any fairy story’s:

The church is the reason we can all read and write….true

Nobody said the gentry were selfless…..what we have said is that they were practical, if you have better educated workers you have a better company.

If you happen to be aristocracy and you have a strong nation that’s decent and wealthy and industrious then that is better for you and it’s also better for everyone else…..as our nation once proved…..it wasn’t perfect because nothing is, but look at what we have today ?…..f***ing hell like ! lol 

 

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The shithole this country has become is wholly due to the greedy out of control right.

We have been in the grip of internationalists who have taken the 30 pieces of corporate silver in order to fund some sort of socialist, university reds model of society…..you may class people as “on the right” but they are still buying themselves a boardroom full of socialist politicians with all that dirty money ! 

 

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When has the left been in power over the last 100 years? And please don't quote me Blair! FFS.

About 60 years !…….and yes we all use the simplistic “right or left” identifiers but actually it’s all internationalists 

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 The bitter, short_ sighted proletariat who want to bring everybody down to their piteous level does not exist except in the right's publications. People just want to be treated fairly. And to be given a chance.

Of course it does, I’m reading it today….from you ! lol 

I hear it all the time and always have done, it’s not a construct mate, these people exist !

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You are self satisfyingly blaming the poor for their own condition. That attitude has been around  since the year dot.

Look, in a free society where it’s positively encouraged anyone can start a firm, work for themselves, have an idea or create an invention and better their outcomes…..but not everyone does, for many reasons…..that’s just how it is, that’s life.

Some people just want to go to work, pick up their cheque and go home…..that’s fine, country was built on such people but it was also built on the people that employed them too. 
 

Historically nobody was keeping them down, but that has changed massively……now they are actively kept down, it’s not worth trying to create anything or do more.

We replaced win/win with lose/lose ! 
 

It’s the bloke you meet who sweeps up a warehouse syndrome, he could always have been the guvnor, firm would fold without him, backbone of the company…..well why ain’t he then ?

Because he can’t, it wouldn’t and he isn’t !……he feeds his kids because someone more able had an idea and the brains that he didn’t…..everyone is a winner ! 

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I know if I was a young man who had an education or a required skill, I would be out of this country. It's sinking fast. And of course it's the working class to blame. Why does that myth persist in this country? Answer ? Propaganda from the media which is owned by the very people who own everything else. They create the narrative and people believe and repeat it.

 

 

It’s the people who have voted for successive regimes who have f****d the whole gaff up while they looked at shiny things that are to blame ! 

Like any recovery the first step is admitting you have a problem, folks have to look in the mirror and say “What have we done, this is f****d !”

We will never be an empire again, so we have to get smaller and poorer…..who’s willing for that ?

Some things have a price and some things have a value.

No millionaire paying a hundred grand extra tax a year is going to improve your life, it has spectacularly failed ! Deal with it ! lol 

Edited Thursday at 18:46 by WILF

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11 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

Why not? People need a hand up. Most don't want a hand out.

A tiny rant  I promise. I've just been thinking how easy it was to make money compared to now.  A self employed forester in the early 70s could earn good money. Now it's barely minimum wage. I was a commercial fisherman and the money was shared 2 shares for the skipper (because it was his boat and gear) and a single share for the rest of us. Within 2 years I had a deposit on a smallholding. Now it's foreigners on less than minimum wage.

I used to do shut downs. We would move into  a company whilst they were shut for holidays and repair.... painting, plastering, electrical work, plumbing etc. The first tender I put in for two weeks work was worth more than I'd earned for a whole year previously. Granted I had to pay people but I was still mega rich, especially when you are doing two or 3 shut downs a month. I know guys who made a fortune building up window cleaning rounds moving on to industrial cleaning.

But it's all red tape, computer says no these days. People are hamstrung, not helped.

 

Yeah, all the name of bigger state ! 
Make up your mind, what do you want ? lol 

[WILF 49,720]

6 minutes ago, chartpolski said:

I had a good job with an engineering company but when marriage and family came along, I took Norman Tebbits advice, ( it was his funeral today), and got on my bike and made the momentous decision to seek my fortune abroad.

Twenty six years later I was in the position at 51 to retire and do what I wanted.

Of course not everyone can do that, but as a lad from the city centre slums of Newcastle and one of the worst sink council estates, I don’t think it’s our of reach for most people that really want it .

Cheers.

What’s a crime is that you had to do that abroad because otherwise you’d still have to work and be a lot worse off. 
Maybe I’m wrong, that’s a guess ?

[jukel123 9,290]

Another good number was. believe it or not, cockle picking. I sold up and retired at 55. But out of curiosity, I picked cockles on the Solway Firth.  I was gobsmacked by what you could earn. Dutch buyers were competing for your 'catch' as soon as you came off the shore. I ended up employing a gang of guys( scots) on the same basis as commercial fisherman. A share each and two for me. I had a boat and two four by fours. Crucially I had a good knowledge of the Solway.

The guys were buying brand new cars cash after 4 or 5 months.

Then the wise and the good decided to grant licences to commercial dredging boats and they dredged the f****n beds almost out of existence. But God it was good money while it lasted.

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2 minutes ago, WILF said:

What’s a crime is that you had to do that abroad because otherwise you’d still have to work and be a lot worse off. 
Maybe I’m wrong, that’s a guess ?

I probably wouldn’t have a mortgage free house, I definitely wouldn’t have seen the world as I have, my children definitely wouldn’t have had a private education, my grandson wouldn’t have the opportunities he has now, and I certainly wouldn’t have the world views I have now.

Those damned Saudis have a lot to answer for ! PMSL !

Cheers.

[jukel123 9,290]

10 minutes ago, WILF said:

Nobody has written any fairy story’s:

The church is the reason we can all read and write….true

Nobody said the gentry were selfless…..what we have said is that they were practical, if you have better educated workers you have a better company.

If you happen to be aristocracy and you have a strong nation that’s decent and wealthy and industrious then that is better for you and it’s also better for everyone else…..as our nation once proved…..it wasn’t perfect because nothing is, but look at what we have today ?…..f***ing hell like ! lol 

 

We have been in the grip of internationalists who have taken the 30 pieces of corporate silver in order to fund some sort of socialist, university reds model of society…..you may class people as “on the right” but they are still buying themselves a boardroom full of socialist politicians with all that dirty money ! 

 

About 60 years !…….and yes we all use the simplistic “right or left” identifiers but actually it’s all internationalists 

Of course it does, I’m reading it today….from you ! lol 

I hear it all the time and always have done, it’s not a construct mate, these people exist !

Look, in a free society where it’s positively encouraged anyone can start a firm, work for themselves, have an idea or create an invention and better their outcomes…..but not everyone does, for many reasons…..that’s just how it is, that’s life.

Some people just want to go to work, pick up their cheque and go home…..that’s fine, country was built on such people but it was also built on the people that employed them too. 
 

Historically nobody was keeping them down, but that has changed massively……now they are actively kept down, it’s not worth trying to create anything or do more.

We replaced win/win with lose/lose ! 
 

It’s the bloke you meet who sweeps up a warehouse syndrome, he could always have been the guvnor, firm would fold without him, backbone of the company…..well why ain’t he then ?

Because he can’t, it wouldn’t and he isn’t !……he feeds his kids because someone more able had an idea and the brains that he didn’t…..everyone is a winner ! 

It’s the people who have voted for successive regimes who have f****d the whole gaff up while they looked at shiny things that are to blame ! 

Like any recovery the first step is admitting you have a problem, folks have to look in the mirror and say “What have we done, this is f****d !”

We will never be an empire again, so we have to get smaller and poorer…..who’s willing for that ?

Some things have a price and some things have a value.

No millionaire paying a hundred grand extra tax a year is going to improve your life, it has spectacularly failed ! Deal with it ! lol 

Wilf, you accuse me of bitterness. Do you not think that's hypocritical? You post daily, sometimes hourly about black immigration and how you left blighty to avoid the fate of being a squaddie in 'Zulu'.

Lack of personal insight old chap.

[WILF 49,720]

1 minute ago, chartpolski said:

I probably wouldn’t have a mortgage free house, I definitely wouldn’t have seen the world as I have, my children definitely wouldn’t have had a private education, my grandson wouldn’t have the opportunities he has now, and I certainly wouldn’t have the world views I have now.

Those damned Saudis have a lot to answer for ! PMSL !

Cheers.

See, and you missed out on comprehensive shite education for your kids, having to cash in your house to survive your retirement, a week a year in Blackpool and 35 year mortgages for your grandson…..I bet you feel a fool now don’t you ! lol