Islamic School 'take-Over'

[Themoocher 231]

Moocher, why don't you look at the list of candidates in your area and vote for the one who's ideals are nearest yours ? It doesn't have to be LibLabCon or UKIP, maybe an independent or even stand yourself ! But to argue politics and then refuse to vote doesn't make any sense. The vote is the ONLY chance for us to change things, other than revolution.

I still have views, just don't see the point in voting.

It does matter who you vote for, it's still going to be the same.

Think the whole system needs a change.

Everything from nhs, police, fire,military, royal family, immigration, politicians and taxes needs changed.

I wouldn't say I would be any better myself.

That's what these tits get paid 70k year for + expenses.

[Brigzy 1,298]

Everyone has, and are entitled to, views ; but to complain about something and not use the only thing you have ( the vote), to change things, somewhat negates those views . It's your right not to vote, but I tend to think of the people who fought and died to give us the right to vote, so I will use it in the hope it may do some good; it may not, but it is better than not voting.

[Themoocher 231]

I fought for the country.

Still wouldn't vote for the parties that are available.

 

They are all the same. Vote ukip, there head of operations is a sacked torrie.

How can you take it serious.

 

All the rebels that voted libs, won't now as they joined with with torries.

So the rebels are now voting ukip.

Do you think if the torries offered ukip the same deal as the did the libs they wouldn't turn it down?

[Brigzy 1,298]

I fought for the country.

Still wouldn't vote for the parties that are available.

 

They are all the same. Vote ukip, there head of operations is a sacked torrie.

How can you take it serious.

 

All the rebels that voted libs, won't now as they joined with with torries.

So the rebels are now voting ukip.

Do you think if the torries offered ukip the same deal as the did the libs they wouldn't turn it down?

Not voting for the PARTIES available, isn't the same as not voting at all. As I said, have a chat with any independent candidates to get their views, they may just be the same as yours, or even stand yourself. I'm not voting UKIP in the expectation they will form the next government, I'm voting for them in the hope they will get enough seats to alter the balance of power. Just look how the LibDems have affected Tory policy. I'd rather it was anti EU UKIP doing it than pro EU LibDems.

[Themoocher 231]

Do you not think if the torries offered ukip the same deal they would take it?

[Brigzy 1,298]

Do you not think if the torries offered ukip the same deal they would take it?

Farrage has stated, quite catergoricaly, that he would do no deal with the Tories while Cameron is in charge, as he thinks Cameron is not a Conservative, (as do I). He would think about a deal if the Tories had a real Coservative as leader. But you seem to be missing the point; the LibDems held the Tories to ransom over things like gay marriage and boundary changes and Lords reform. They scuppered any plans for an immeadiate EU referendum, and were absolutely against any debate on or reform of the Hunting Act. If the UKIP were coalition partners with the Tories we would probably have had no gay mariage vote, probably would have had an EU referendum and an open vote on the Hunting Act. UKIP and the LibDems are diametercaly opposed on the political spectrum, it would make far more sense for the Tories to do a deal with UKIP as they are both on the right of the spectrum. So, all in all, I think a coalition between the Tories and the LibDems is a disaster from my point of view; a coalition between the Tories and UKIP would suite my purposes until a fairer system of voting could be worked out.

[Themoocher 231]

Yeah I thought the main points of ukip were they are anti euro?

[Brigzy 1,298]

Yeah I thought the main points of ukip were they are anti euro?

It's a mistake most people make, perpertrated by the media. UKIP are more Pro British than Anti EU. They want trade agreements with Europe, but want OUR elected parliament to make OUR laws , not unelected faceless beurocrats in Belgium, overseen and dictated to by Germany and France. They are not against immigration, they are against unlimited uncontrolable immigration from the EU. They would rather have a doctor from India, an engineer from Australia, a scientist from Japan than a Big Issue seller from Romania, a beggar from Bulgaria or a pick pocket from Slovakia ! Sounds sensible enough to me.

[Themoocher 231]

We make our own laws to suit our selfs.

If eu make a law.

We can have an exemption or derogations to what ever law the eu makes.

[Brigzy 1,298]

We make our own laws to suit our selfs.

If eu make a law.

We can have an exemption or derogations to what ever law the eu makes.

To get a national exemption requires the agreement of the other 27 members, it never happens. An EU commisioner recently said that 70% of OUR laws are made in Brussels..... straight from the horses mouth. We have no control whatsoever over immigration from the EU, as "Free Movement of People" is one of the enshrined principles of the EU. We are one of only 3 or 4 NET contributors to the EU, £55 MILLION PER DAY !! We joined The Common Market as a trade deal, not to become part of The United States Of Europe. We are keeping it afloat, if we pulled out Germany would have to make up the monetary shortfall, but there is allready protests in Germany about how much they pay. If we pulled out the whole rotten house of cards would fold.

[Themoocher 231]

Yeah I understand about the free movement rule.

But the rule was not meant for little Romanian families to move over here.

 

It was meant to make movement of trade easier at the start.

Now it's a free meal ticket.

 

Then all the eu countries would put there trade prices through the roof with us?

Would they not?

 

Let's face it if the government wanted to crack down on illegal immigration they could easy.

But it would prob cost more to do that.

[Guest ragumup]

We sell more to EU than they sell us so it wouldn't be in their interest to penalises us in any way....

 

Ukip are on the right where the conservatives are meant to be. Ukip are a libertarian party that believes in capitalism corporatism individualism call it what you will ...a free market economy with small government and low taxes ....

 

Whereas the Liebour & Libdims &SNP are on the left and are socialists, collectivism, communists and believe in big government, high taxes, and subsiding failing companies, so a socialist government always runs out of money it ruins the economy and bankrupts the country ......

[Brigzy 1,298]

Moocher, as has allready been said, they import more from us than we do from them, why would they want to start a trade war ? Do you honestly believe the likes of Mercedes, Porche, Audi, Citroen, Bosch, Seimens, etc would want to loose us as a market for their goods. This "tarriff" nonsense is put out by pro Europeans to scare people; just like when Clegg said we would lose three million jobs if we left the EU, he doesn't say that now, as it was obviously a lie, he now says three million jobs are involved in exports to the EU, so they are but they would still export to Europe is we were in or out of he EU. Also, it isn't illegal immigration we are talking about, it's the perfectly legal right of over 450 million Europeans to come here, claim housing, National Health and Benifits, even though they have no skills, are unable to function in our communities, (apart from begging and stealing), and are simply economic migrants who want to switch from a piss poor EU country to a rich one !!

[Themoocher 231]

Moocher, as has allready been said, they import more from us than we do from them, why would they want to start a trade war ? Do you honestly believe the likes of Mercedes, Porche, Audi, Citroen, Bosch, Seimens, etc would want to loose us as a market for their goods. This "tarriff" nonsense is put out by pro Europeans to scare people; just like when Clegg said we would lose three million jobs if we left the EU, he doesn't say that now, as it was obviously a lie, he now says three million jobs are involved in exports to the EU, so they are but they would still export to Europe is we were in or out of he EU. Also, it isn't illegal immigration we are talking about, it's the perfectly legal right of over 450 million Europeans to come here, claim housing, National Health and Benifits, even though they have no skills, are unable to function in our communities, (apart from begging and stealing), and are simply economic migrants who want to switch from a piss poor EU country to a rich one !!

I agree with what your saying.

I think every system in the uk needs sorting out.

The country is in shit state. Daft c**ts like me that's got pay for everything does my head in.

I have worked since was 15 and just don't seem to get out the bit.

[Brigzy 1,298]

If I have convinced you to use your vote, for anyone, then my work here is done !! It's been interesting debating this with you.