patterdales

[sanglier 2]

Thanks for all the pm's and suggestions. I have looked at 2 litters now but the parents of both litters are a bit heavier than i would like.

Am i barking up the wrong tree here, 15 yrs ago i kept patterdales that where much leaner than the dogs I have seen today.

 

1st litter had nuttall blood from the sire and he was 12"tall just spannable and fairly round with a broad chest.

 

2nd litter, sire was a Harcombe blood line. 14"tall again just spannable but all in proportion, very strong dog.

 

In both litters the pups appeared to have taken the fathers line. Do you think I should look for a particular blood line to give me a leaner dog? if so what line do you recon.

 

I think the dogs i used to keep where from the middleton line.Is this line still popular.

 

Look foreward to your opinions.

 

Ian.

[roybo 2,873]

put some pics up of your old dogs,to show everyone what you mean

surely they aint changed that much, what did you work them on?

middleton -patterdale lets see them

Edited September 20, 2007 by roybo

[nelson 0]

Matey, i have to agree with you.

 

It seams most of the stuff we all like to call 'Patterdale', has got a little stockier and a little heavier.

 

This in a little dog means to me that the things are out of proportion to the athlete that is needed to do the pest control work we ask it to do.

 

Now there will be a lot of folk who dissagree, and to those people i say , no only joking.

 

We all want our dogs to do different role's in the job they undertake, i would suggest that the litters or lines you have seen are prefering the heavier type dog to do that job.

[sanglier 2]

i don't have any pics, no digy cameras then

 

I had a patt dog from a middleton lakey x patt sire and patt bitch. A mate also had his litter brother and they where both black, smooth, With white blaze down his chest. Both pups took the build of the sire, Smaller than some of the dogs ive seen lately. Is it the Nuttall line that brings out the broad chest? or perhaps i havent seen enough to judge.

 

Is there a blood line that produces a leaner patterdale type.

 

Ian.

[sanglier 2]

Hi Chief. I get the impression from the tone of your post that you question me owning dogs before. Thats ok, but nobody told me that i had to have pictures of previous dogs to get a coment from a posting. instead i get you who has got no comment to my question at all.

 

I will put it down to beginners luck and hope i can get some views from other people on the original post.

 

And i will not ask the for photographic evidence before i agree or dissagree with their comments

 

Ian,

[RatSnatcher 0]

There is plenty of pictures on the net of paterdales mate, go and find a picture and post it up on here of the type your talking about.........

 

Heres the type you are discribing to me .........

 

[TOPPER 1,809]

KEN GOULDS STUFF WAS ALWAYS A BIT LEGGY AND LEAN TRY LOOKING FOR GOULDS LINE

[sanglier 2]

RatSnatcher

 

That is the type of dog i have seen when looking for a pup. There seems to be more bull in that line than i remember way back.[late 1980 s]

They are hansome dogs, but broader than i was looking for.

[sanglier 2]

KEN GOULDS STUFF WAS ALWAYS A BIT LEGGY AND LEAN TRY LOOKING FOR GOULDS LINE

Thanks Topper

 

They are more like the the dogs i have in mind. Narrower chest and longer legged, to me thay just appear more in proportion and athletic looking. Horses for corses comes to mind, It wouldn't do for us all to have the same taste would it.

 

 

 

Chief:

 

you can rest assured that if I wanted a terrier for pet or show I wouldn't be looking here. As for "the best working pup out there" peoples oppinions, tastes, and needs are different. When you talk to the owners they are all the best out there. And what you concider the best out there, will not be the view of some other owners.

My motivation to take on "A WORKING TERRIER" :I think most people would agree that once you have owned and worked terriers, nothing else comes close. It was my job back then. My life took a different route and family came first. Now my family have grown up and i now have the time to commit to working a terrier again.

I have access to land and work for a terrier. Not a ultra hard dog, but a good all rounder that will do the odd job if required.That is why i didn't buy the pups i have already seen.

Am i wrong to look for a particular type of patt or should i be looking for something else.

 

If I was as knowledgable and up to date as you!! I wouldn't have joined this forum. It is a good source of information. It was recommended by members of another forum and If me asking questions doesn't suit you, i don't apologise for that. However if it is your duty to knock holes in peoples theories or comments I may be in the wrong place.

 

I am looking for advice.

 

Ian.

 

 

 

Nelson

 

Sorry, I missed your post. You hit the nail on the head. What i can see that maybe some can,t is the differance between the patterdale type then(1980s) and now.

I put it down to the fact that i have been out of terrier circles for some time, while others have accepted the change gradualy. As topper pointed out, the gould strain is more like the patterdale's i remember.

 

Do you have patterdales yourself?

 

Ian.

Edited September 28, 2007 by sanglier

[jrt666 1]

give the man a break

[roybo 2,873]

Sanglier :

 

 

Good luck in your quest for the Shangri La' black terrier .

It might be better not to take your wife with you the next time you view a litter as they do have a tendency to go for the cute looking ones , plus they get too attached to them and ask too many questions . Moreso that the new pup will most probably come home with bits missing from it's anatomy in a couple of years time as it's going to ply it's intended trade , which of course you'd know anyway being that you've kept coloured terriers before .

Edited September 21, 2007 by roybo

[sanglier 2]

Chief

 

Yes i am say they where a part of daily life in my job. As for the rest of the first paragraph,nobody has talked about working terriers in the context of being sport or hobby. Pure speculation on your part.

 

The second paragraph:

At least we agree on something and I admire their Loyalty, and I have found time.

 

The third paragraph:

Will I find the "shangri La" strain here?

 

The rest of your post is, at best waffle with no constructive content.

[Guest WILF]

Sanglier.......may I ask how long you have been looking for a dog?

 

Anyone who has tryed to find a terrier that has at least a modicum of working background will tell you how hard that search is, nevermind narrowing it down to a paticular "type"...........decent well proven stuff is like rocking horse shit!!

 

It may just be that your search has not lasted long enough to realise that the luxury of "type" matters not one jot..........the mention of the word "type" is bound to raise a few eyebrows.

 

Time may be on your side, and if so, then you are a lucky chap...........but patience and an unstoppable compulsion do not make for happy bedfellows.

 

Some talk lines, some just get on with it and some.........just some.........have the knowledge and compulsion to do both

[RatSnatcher 0]

Well here is my bitch.......I wouldnt say she is stocky, quite lean by all accounts.... she also has quite a long back .....

 

 

 

 

[Guest WILF]

By the way Sanglier.....have you done much wild boar hunting?