Hi-Pro 30% Dog Food

[mhopton 807]

So is the 30 any good that's he wanted to know ????

[oddser 79]

So is the 30 any good that's he wanted to know ????

no baged food is mostly crap if you are paying say £12 for bag of dog food its probably cost £7 to produce what can you buy for £7 to fill the bag

[sandymere 8,263]

 

 

As i said i feed raw meat not hole carcases so i use CA-37 to make shore there getting all the right nutrients they need to do a proper days work.

 

If you really want to learn some thing about a running dogs nutritional needs you won't go far wrong reading this.

Its an interesting update on his past writings and in the main the new stuff is what I have been saying for a number of years, the last part ie vitamins hasn't been updated and is outdated, based on the older idea that as humans, dogs etc did better when fed a balanced diet containing lots of naturally occurring vitamins and minerals so adding these to a diet would have the same effect. It was a believable theory and one we all subscribed too until the theory was checked. Alas it seems that artificial chemicals in the form of vitamins etc don't act the same as those found in a good diet. High antioxidants vitamins like C and E actually slowed race times and more recently if you read the links I posted earlier it would seem these also slow healing/repair. Science mores on and theories are developed checked and either confirmed or found to be wrong, the vitamin supplementation has been found to be wrong. In all but a very few situations, ie vit D etc, a good diet will supply all that is needed and if the diet does not meet the needs then adding artificial vitamins does not fix the problem.

I would also argue with wanting low bulk stools as low fibre results in low bacteria number which in turns results in lower free fatty acids for lower gut health etc. Small stools are easier for the owner/kennel staff but not necessarily for the dogs.

Regard s

 

calcium is very important electrolyte in muscle and nerve function its also the major component of bone .when calcium is deficient the first thing you see is in the muscles low calcium makes nerve signal transmission fail and makes muscles and nerves more irritable and hyperexcitable which can result in muscle spasms and cramping vitamin e and c are major antioxidants which protect nerve and muscle cells when getting dog fit

 

Yes, I've done a few bits on cramping but calciumis plentiful in any but very poor diets, in truth the commonest problem is to much or an imbalance with growing pups rather than not enough with home made diets.

http://www.thehuntinglife.com/forums/topic/210022-cramping-in-dogs/?hl=cramping

[oddser 79]

to minimise bone and joint damage mineral supplement is needed all bones require calcium .phosphorus and vitamin d for bone development . meat which makes up most of dogs diet is fairly high in phosphorus and low in calcium so the ratio of calcium to phosphorus in meat is 1.17 instead of what it should be 1.2.1 to 2.1 so using a meat based diet without adding calcium can lead to bone disorders .to make it simple 11b of beef only has enough calcium for a dog of 1 kilogram in body weight and enough phosphorus for a dog weighing 3 kilos .there is 5 different types of cramp calcium deficiency cramp . metabolic cramp . circulatory cramp . nervous cramp . dehydration cramp

[sandymere 8,263]

LOL I take it you didn't read the link re cramping.

 

Re calcium and if you just feed beef your in for more than a little imbalance of calcium/phosphorus lol but if you feed a balanced diet you get a balance of micro nutrients, simples!

 

So feed a balanced diet and no need to risk the negative effects of un needed supplements

[oddser 79]

no didn't read it no need to you have not understood my post if you are feeding beef with veg bread or meal you need to ad calcium

[sandymere 8,263]

Lol, I never said I was feeding beef with bread etc, think your a little lost and going off at strange tangents, bread and beef lol, cramping etc and as you don't bother to read an answer to your own question it would seem pointless going further. So finally to point, I said if you feed a balanced diet you don't need to add supplements and if you feed an imbalanced diet then fix the diet rather than add supplements that may well do more harm than good, treat the problem not the symptoms!

 

I can only quote Edzard

 

"When rational people disagree with someone, they usually voice a relevant counter-argument, produce facts or ask questions that are relevant to the issue at hand. Don’t get me wrong, I do like an academic or factual or rational argument any time – but I find it tedious to deal with irrationality and, more importantly, I feel that it is not in any way productive trying to do so."

(Ernst)

[oddser 79]

ok whats your idea of a balanced diet

[sandymere 8,263]

One that meets the nutritional needs of the individual creature in respect of their lifestyle and functional requirements.

 

 

Perhaps you should start a topic along the lines of your question rather than continue here, I would be happy post my thoughts.

Alas the preamble of this is lost and so gives a narrative that has little to add but much to detract from any answers that people might make.

Regards s

[oddser 79]

yes you are right when your in a hole stop digging