NEWKID 28,622 Posted April 24, 2013 Report Share Posted April 24, 2013 Rooney a failed striker??? Van Persie has been incredible this year, and Rooney has played 2nd fiddle, which has not been the case for him since Ronaldo left.... Even as an out an our striker Rooney is everywhere, chasing back, harrying and making a nuisance of himself... Van Persie is an out and out striker, off the shoulder type with fantastic movement and one of the best finishers in the world, Rooney doesn't need to play in that position anymore, he will naturally come deeper.... On Monday he knocked some great balls long, but I thought he gave the ball away a little too often when playing shorter, bread and butter midfielder ( carrick) balls... He was involved in everything in that first 30mins and I get you Can Persie is praying he stays...like Malt said he can play well anywhere and that can be your undoing at times, He's still relatively young and as I said on another post his goal scoring record for both club and country is better than most after they've retired.. I would rather him playing for me than against me for sure.. I think another left back, go out and get Baines, would be good.. Obviously Ronaldo but is that just a pipe dream??? Keep Giggs going for as long as possible lol...keep hold of chicarito, what a natural goal scorer he is, scored some vital goals again this season.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stewie 3,387 Posted April 24, 2013 Report Share Posted April 24, 2013 Rooney a failed striker??? Van Persie has been incredible this year, and Rooney has played 2nd fiddle, which has not been the case for him since Ronaldo left.... Even as an out an our striker Rooney is everywhere, chasing back, harrying and making a nuisance of himself... Van Persie is an out and out striker, off the shoulder type with fantastic movement and one of the best finishers in the world, Rooney doesn't need to play in that position anymore, he will naturally come deeper.... On Monday he knocked some great balls long, but I thought he gave the ball away a little too often when playing shorter, bread and butter midfielder ( carrick) balls... He was involved in everything in that first 30mins and I get you Can Persie is praying he stays...like Malt said he can play well anywhere and that can be your undoing at times, He's still relatively young and as I said on another post his goal scoring record for both club and country is better than most after they've retired.. I would rather him playing for me than against me for sure.. I think another left back, go out and get Baines, would be good.. Obviously Ronaldo but is that just a pipe dream??? Keep Giggs going for as long as possible lol...keep hold of chicarito, what a natural goal scorer he is, scored some vital goals again this season.... i doubt ronaldo will ever come back mate.........fergie is a clever old kunt and id say he will say "no cristiano, you choose to leave and were doing fine without you".......... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NEWKID 28,622 Posted April 24, 2013 Report Share Posted April 24, 2013 I'm not so sure mate, Fergie doesn't let sentiment get in the way of anything, either way... If he could get him at the right price, he would, because of what he would offer... He's somewhere between the best and 2nd best in the world lol Ronaldo went with Fergies blessing anyway, and still talks of UTD as home.. I think the problem will be money though Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lab 10,979 Posted April 24, 2013 Report Share Posted April 24, 2013 Rooney a failed striker??? Van Persie has been incredible this year, and Rooney has played 2nd fiddle, which has not been the case for him since Ronaldo left.... Even as an out an our striker Rooney is everywhere, chasing back, harrying and making a nuisance of himself... Van Persie is an out and out striker, off the shoulder type with fantastic movement and one of the best finishers in the world, Rooney doesn't need to play in that position anymore, he will naturally come deeper.... On Monday he knocked some great balls long, but I thought he gave the ball away a little too often when playing shorter, bread and butter midfielder ( carrick) balls... He was involved in everything in that first 30mins and I get you Can Persie is praying he stays...like Malt said he can play well anywhere and that can be your undoing at times, He's still relatively young and as I said on another post his goal scoring record for both club and country is better than most after they've retired.. I would rather him playing for me than against me for sure.. I think another left back, go out and get Baines, would be good.. Obviously Ronaldo but is that just a pipe dream??? Keep Giggs going for as long as possible lol...keep hold of chicarito, what a natural goal scorer he is, scored some vital goals again this season.... So what your saying is now that there are better players taking his forward position and he plays a decent ball in mid-field now and again he should get a place over say a world class mid-fielder next season? Or as a fan would you rather see a proper mid-fielder come in?... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stewie 3,387 Posted April 24, 2013 Report Share Posted April 24, 2013 I'm not so sure mate, Fergie doesn't let sentiment get in the way of anything, either way... If he could get him at the right price, he would, because of what he would offer... He's somewhere between the best and 2nd best in the world lol Ronaldo went with Fergies blessing anyway, and still talks of UTD as home.. I think the problem will be money though true mate but fergie being the krafty auld kunt he is would probably say f**k him lol as for ronaldo being 2nd best mate well im sorry i dont agree...........robben was immense last night against barca.......... were was messi............ bayern stuffed them 4-0 and barca never had a chance!!!! BUT at barca we might see them get hammered 6-0 lol but out of all the quality players in the worlds leagues right now..........id never say who is 1st or 2nd best..............neymar and nilmar are two off top of my head that play for "shite" teams in brazil and quatar at the min................when they get in europe messi and ronnie will be soon losing there titles as "top two"...........you mark my words........ 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stewie 3,387 Posted April 24, 2013 Report Share Posted April 24, 2013 Rooney a failed striker??? Van Persie has been incredible this year, and Rooney has played 2nd fiddle, which has not been the case for him since Ronaldo left.... Even as an out an our striker Rooney is everywhere, chasing back, harrying and making a nuisance of himself... Van Persie is an out and out striker, off the shoulder type with fantastic movement and one of the best finishers in the world, Rooney doesn't need to play in that position anymore, he will naturally come deeper.... On Monday he knocked some great balls long, but I thought he gave the ball away a little too often when playing shorter, bread and butter midfielder ( carrick) balls... He was involved in everything in that first 30mins and I get you Can Persie is praying he stays...like Malt said he can play well anywhere and that can be your undoing at times, He's still relatively young and as I said on another post his goal scoring record for both club and country is better than most after they've retired.. I would rather him playing for me than against me for sure.. I think another left back, go out and get Baines, would be good.. Obviously Ronaldo but is that just a pipe dream??? Keep Giggs going for as long as possible lol...keep hold of chicarito, what a natural goal scorer he is, scored some vital goals again this season.... So what your saying is now that there are better players taking his forward position and he plays a decent ball in mid-field now and again he should get a place over say a world class mid-fielder next season? Or as a fan would you rather see a proper mid-fielder come in?... fergie tried it before with alan smith and it did pay off to a degree..........however rooneys a different kettle of fish altogether...........as the link between midfield and strikers..........he could be immense......... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lab 10,979 Posted April 24, 2013 Report Share Posted April 24, 2013 Rooney a failed striker??? Van Persie has been incredible this year, and Rooney has played 2nd fiddle, which has not been the case for him since Ronaldo left.... Even as an out an our striker Rooney is everywhere, chasing back, harrying and making a nuisance of himself... Van Persie is an out and out striker, off the shoulder type with fantastic movement and one of the best finishers in the world, Rooney doesn't need to play in that position anymore, he will naturally come deeper.... On Monday he knocked some great balls long, but I thought he gave the ball away a little too often when playing shorter, bread and butter midfielder ( carrick) balls... He was involved in everything in that first 30mins and I get you Can Persie is praying he stays...like Malt said he can play well anywhere and that can be your undoing at times, He's still relatively young and as I said on another post his goal scoring record for both club and country is better than most after they've retired.. I would rather him playing for me than against me for sure.. I think another left back, go out and get Baines, would be good.. Obviously Ronaldo but is that just a pipe dream??? Keep Giggs going for as long as possible lol...keep hold of chicarito, what a natural goal scorer he is, scored some vital goals again this season.... So what your saying is now that there are better players taking his forward position and he plays a decent ball in mid-field now and again he should get a place over say a world class mid-fielder next season? Or as a fan would you rather see a proper mid-fielder come in?... fergie tried it before with alan smith and it did pay off to a degree..........however rooneys a different kettle of fish altogether...........as the link between midfield and strikers..........he could be immense......... Seems to me he's getting to fat and slow and there looking for another position that suits him.............we will see what Fergie decides... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NEWKID 28,622 Posted April 24, 2013 Report Share Posted April 24, 2013 Lab I would rather see Rooney further up the pitch myself, although he knocked some great long balls on Monday, I don't think he is a midfielder in the true sense, but football teams are set up different now, very rarely do you see 2 forwards play side by side like years ago, more often than not its 1 at the top and another linking the play or 3 across the top but all being fluid and able to change position easily.. Rooney is a brilliant footballer so he can play in these different roles, I really think ,IMO ,he should play just behind RVP and link the play, on Monday Fergie set his side out to win the league and they did emphatically, and the way Rooney was used worked.. But at times he was going deeper and deeper even behind Carrick... RVP will be the main striker because he is the best out and out striker in the club but that doesn't mean what Rooney brings to the game is any less.. I would like to see another midfielder come in, I know it won't happen but Wilshere would fit the side perfectly, he'll beat his man and commit, can pass and tackle. Cleverly could have a big year next year too.. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stewie 3,387 Posted April 24, 2013 Report Share Posted April 24, 2013 Rooney a failed striker??? Van Persie has been incredible this year, and Rooney has played 2nd fiddle, which has not been the case for him since Ronaldo left.... Even as an out an our striker Rooney is everywhere, chasing back, harrying and making a nuisance of himself... Van Persie is an out and out striker, off the shoulder type with fantastic movement and one of the best finishers in the world, Rooney doesn't need to play in that position anymore, he will naturally come deeper.... On Monday he knocked some great balls long, but I thought he gave the ball away a little too often when playing shorter, bread and butter midfielder ( carrick) balls... He was involved in everything in that first 30mins and I get you Can Persie is praying he stays...like Malt said he can play well anywhere and that can be your undoing at times, He's still relatively young and as I said on another post his goal scoring record for both club and country is better than most after they've retired.. I would rather him playing for me than against me for sure.. I think another left back, go out and get Baines, would be good.. Obviously Ronaldo but is that just a pipe dream??? Keep Giggs going for as long as possible lol...keep hold of chicarito, what a natural goal scorer he is, scored some vital goals again this season.... So what your saying is now that there are better players taking his forward position and he plays a decent ball in mid-field now and again he should get a place over say a world class mid-fielder next season? Or as a fan would you rather see a proper mid-fielder come in?... fergie tried it before with alan smith and it did pay off to a degree..........however rooneys a different kettle of fish altogether...........as the link between midfield and strikers..........he could be immense......... Seems to me he's getting to fat and slow and there looking for another position that suits him.............we will see what Fergie decides... as much as it pains me to say it mate........your wrong......... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lab 10,979 Posted April 24, 2013 Report Share Posted April 24, 2013 Lab I would rather see Rooney further up the pitch myself, although he knocked some great long balls on Monday, I don't think he is a midfielder in the true sense, but football teams are set up different now, very rarely do you see 2 forwards play side by side like years ago, more often than not its 1 at the top and another linking the play or 3 across the top but all being fluid and able to change position easily.. Rooney is a brilliant footballer so he can play in these different roles, I really think ,IMO ,he should play just behind RVP and link the play, on Monday Fergie set his side out to win the league and they did emphatically, and the way Rooney was used worked.. But at times he was going deeper and deeper even behind Carrick... RVP will be the main striker because he is the best out and out striker in the club but that doesn't mean what Rooney brings to the game is any less.. I would like to see another midfielder come in, I know it won't happen but Wilshere would fit the side perfectly, he'll beat his man and commit, can pass and tackle. Cleverly could have a big year next year too.. Thats fair enough mate........i'm only talking about Rooney cause its a Utd thread but i'm thinking how i would feel if it was a Celtic player. I honestly think there should be 3/4 players battling it out for every position at the club( if finances allow so) and if its 2 upfront then the best 2 play all the time and the other 2 come on as subs or injuries. If you play well, score goals imo you should never been asked to sit on the bench...this goes for every position on the park by the way too. Cause football teams that do well are players that get on and dont bicker like f***ing women........but i'm guessing there will be a couple of mid-fielders wondering why Rooney gets to slip back into midfield when he is under performing upfront? Will Carrick get a chance upfront if he misses a few passes in mid-field?.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NEWKID 28,622 Posted April 24, 2013 Report Share Posted April 24, 2013 I played with a lad for years who was at Exeter City until he was 18 and then let go, a mate of his was playing for Aston Villa's youths and they got to a cup final against Everton, my mate went up to watch.. Rooney was playing for Everton I think he was 2 or 3 years younger than the age my mate reckons he looked overweight and not at all like a footballer, but he was by miles the best player on the pitch, even then he said he was everywhere and was far quicker than you'd imagine... Rooney is no slouch now and he is one of the most energetic/fit players around... How many times have you seen a move break down in attack and it's Rooney who's back giving a penalty away at the other end lol.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NEWKID 28,622 Posted April 24, 2013 Report Share Posted April 24, 2013 I understand what your saying Lab, but there is no one else at UTD ( apart from Jones) who can play in other positions as well as other player ( if not better).. I would rather Rooney in the side than not 9 times out of 10 and the majority of the time he'll play as a striker or in behind... The thing is as well, sides are set up to make room, on Monday Valencia pulled right out wide, Kagawa or Giggs changed around pulling defenders away from RVP, his movement is so good that once the others are more interchangeable spaces open for him, that 2nd goal was all about the setting of the play and Rooney was on that position to play those sort of balls, the first goal was the same... If you play traditional 4-4-2 now you don't open the spaces like UTD did on Monday... Look at Jones as well, he's played right back, centre midfield and centre back recently is he a failed centre back or a very good footballer?? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lab 10,979 Posted April 24, 2013 Report Share Posted April 24, 2013 I understand what your saying Lab, but there is no one else at UTD ( apart from Jones) who can play in other positions as well as other player ( if not better).. I would rather Rooney in the side than not 9 times out of 10 and the majority of the time he'll play as a striker or in behind... The thing is as well, sides are set up to make room, on Monday Valencia pulled right out wide, Kagawa or Giggs changed around pulling defenders away from RVP, his movement is so good that once the others are more interchangeable spaces open for him, that 2nd goal was all about the setting of the play and Rooney was on that position to play those sort of balls, the first goal was the same... If you play traditional 4-4-2 now you don't open the spaces like UTD did on Monday... Look at Jones as well, he's played right back, centre midfield and centre back recently is he a failed centre back or a very good footballer?? The only difference i'd say between Jones and Rooney is Jones is a young lad possibly trying to find his best position where as Rooney is known for club and country as a striker, and always has been a very good one at that.....i'm just not sure that putting him further back will be everyones cup of tea.......If i was a midfielder being left out because a striker who wasnt possibly playing his best upfront was given my position in midfield i'd be offski..... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NEWKID 28,622 Posted April 24, 2013 Report Share Posted April 24, 2013 Fair enough mate, like you said earlier we'll wait and see what Fergie decides, he knows better than any of us how to set up a football side lol... Obviously on Monday he thought that was the best side to win the game and no one could argue because they did.. And Rooney was instrumental in the early purple patch... Another midfielder required and Rooney needs to learn how to play like a traditional Centre forward lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lab 10,979 Posted April 24, 2013 Report Share Posted April 24, 2013 Fair enough mate, like you said earlier we'll wait and see what Fergie decides, he knows better than any of us how to set up a football side lol... Obviously on Monday he thought that was the best side to win the game and no one could argue because they did.. And Rooney was instrumental in the early purple patch... Another midfielder required and Rooney needs to learn how to play like a traditional Centre forward lol Well if your getting rid of Carrick anytime soon i think Green and White hoops would suit him perfectly............ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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