17 HMR VS 22 WMR

[patterdaleboy 32]

AM LOOKING TO BYE A RIFLE AND

HAVE APPLYED FOR 17 HMR AND 22 CENTER FIRE

WITHCH IS THE BEST CALIBER OUT OF THOSE TWO

ANNY SUGESTIONS WELCOME

sorry ;ads

fox and rabbit controle

and on my fac i stated 17 hmr for rabbits and a .22 cf for foxes

if i only buy one witch one

Edited February 15, 2012 by patterdaleboy

[tegater 789]

Depends what you want it for.

 

Do you mean .22 centrefire or .22wmr.?

[bob.243 9,510]

Have a look here.

 

http://www.google.co...9zjrVS0lkNkK9jw

 

http://www.google.co...rpd0fWm9QJ8x4ng

[Deker 3,478]

AM LOOKING TO BYE A RIFLE AND

HAVE APPLYED FOR 17 HMR AND 22 CENTER FIRE

WITHCH IS THE BEST CALIBER OUT OF THOSE TWO

ANNY SUGESTIONS WELCOME

 

:hmm:

 

what have you applied for?

 

What have you listed as your intended use?

 

Your questions are very vague and very wide?

 

A .22WMR is a rimfire, do you mean that or a centrefire?

 

Perhaps a bit more info will bring you some answers!

[richmcgin 32]

I think you have to give us an idea of what you want them for as stated but, i use a 223 for foxes and i have a 22lr that i use for rabbits i have a .17hmr and a .17 centrefire and those 2 will be leaving soon as i cant find a use for them that the 22lr and the 223 dont cover.

However if you are meaning the 22wmr i would go for the 22 over the 17 as it useds the bigger bullet which is always my preference.

[ferreting lad 2]

dont know much about rifles. wat is the differance between a .22rimfire and centrefire? or a .17 rimfire and centrefire?

[Simonrees 45]

dont know much about rifles. wat is the differance between a .22rimfire and centrefire? or a .17 rimfire and centrefire?

 

When you look at the blunt end of the bullet it will either have a smooth flat bottom or it will have a center "cap" if it has a center cap its a centerfire if it doesn't, it relies on a firing pin to sort of clip the edge of the case (rim) to fire it (rimfire) .22 and .17 are the calibers. Think airguns.

[matt_hooks 188]

The name tells you the difference. A rimfire is fired by striking the rim of the head of the case with the firing pin. The priming compound is spun into the rim during manufacture, and the crushing action of the firing pin causes the primer to explode, igniting the propellant. A centrefire has the priming compound in a cup shaped cap in the centre of the cartridge head, which is struck by the firing pin.

 

A rimfire has several limitiations. The maximum pressure achievable (and hence velocity/power) is limited by the relatively soft brass that has to be used so that the rim can be crushed. Also it isn't possible to reload a rimfire cartridge. The upside of the rimfire is that it is relatively cheap to run. A .22LR (the commonest rimfire cartridge, indeed the commonest and most used of all the cartridges available), can be had for as little as £3.50 for 50 rounds in the UK (much less in the states) where as a centrefire in the commoner .22 centrefire calibres, .222, .223 and 22-250 will set you back anywhere between 20p a round and £2 a round depending on calibre and brand.

 

The .17HMR is a rimfire cartridge (it stands for Hornady Magnum Rimfire), and is slightly more expensive than the .22LR, around £7 for 50 I hear. The .22WMR (Winchester Magnum Rimfire) comes in between the two for cost.

 

The .17HMR has about 200 ft.lb energy. The WMR is the most powerful of the rimfire rifle rounds, running out at just over 300 ft.lb. The .22LR gives you around the 100 ft.lb mark.

 

To contrast that, the .222 gives about 1100 ft.lb, the .223 1200 to 1300 ft.lb and the 22-250 about 1600 ft.lb.

 

So you can see there is a big difference between a rimfire and a centrefire.

[ferreting lad 2]

so wats the smallest caliber of centrefire?

[ferreting lad 2]

or is there a rifle suitable for both rabbits and fox? thanks, dont know much about rifles but if you dont ask you wont ind out

[matt_hooks 188]

The smallest centrefire you'll normally find is a .17, which fires a similar bullet to the .17 rimfires but much faster. Then you move on to the .20 calibres, then the .22's, then the .240/6mm calibres.

 

The .22LR will kill both rabbits and foxes, though it's perhaps not the ideal round for foxes in all conditions. The HMR will kill foxes at sensible ranges but unless you are accurate will make a mess of bunny. The WMR is a good foxing round, but again will make a bit of a mess of a bunny. The centrefire's will all happily kill foxes, but will leave you very little rabbit to do anything with, and will hurt your wallet a lot too.

 

You pays your money and you takes your choice.

[ferreting lad 2]

so could you name a sensible rifle and ammunition for both foxes and rabbits? are rimefire frowned upon for using on foxes by the law or? and wat ranges for both animals? sorry for bein a bit thick, all these callibers ect are a bit confusing ha

[Simonrees 45]

so could you name a sensible rifle and ammunition for both foxes and rabbits? are rimefire frowned upon for using on foxes by the law or? and wat ranges for both animals? sorry for bein a bit thick, all these callibers ect are a bit confusing ha

 

The issue here is that some police forces will not grant you a .17 for fox and insist on a minimum of .223. However if you want only one caliber and they allow it for fox the .17 would be your best choice. However you would be better off also applying for a .22 for rabbits because the bullets are a lot cheaper. As far as ranges go ask 100 people get 100 different answers but .22 on rabbits 75yds-100yds .17 75yds -150yds. I'm not going to give you a figure for fox because I can't legally shoot them with my .17

[richmcgin 32]

Simon does that mean that south wales dont allow .17 for fox control or is it just not on your ticket.

your right about the "Ask 100 people" but with the .17 on foxes i know that people say about head shots at 150yrds but if you have to rely on a head shot then the cal is too small in my opinion. but with that said i do think that for rabbit and fox the .17 is the best round available because it is accurate enough to shoot rabbits in the head at good distances and it extends your reach on a fox compaired to a .22lr a few more yards, but as mentioned the draw back is the ammo the last i brought cost me 12 quid per 50 far to expensive i know they are cheaper now but still not ever so.

[matt_hooks 188]

The answer as to range is "what range can you reliably put the bullet where you need it to be to ensure a clean humane kill" so yes, you will get different answers from different people. The .22LR will have enough energy at 200 plus yards to kill a rabbit cleanly, in fact probably a lot further than that, but I don't know anyone who would realistically say they can accurately place a .22LR round at that range.