up the beam 65 Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 Yes Bob, and I spent a few years racing against lurchers too, when it was true lurchers, no race bred dogs, and mine was the only pure bred whippet. It was mostly simulated lure coursing, not much straight racing back then, and yes, my bitch held her own, she never won, but came second a few times. Was there any moaning, no! What has changed now is that there are races put on for "whippets", not whippet crosses, whippet types or non peds, is that that hard to understand? The whippet folk aren't asking for any special treatment, the show organisers over here have seen the whippet becoming more popular and have tried to accommodate them at their shows, but failed to anticipate that some people would try to race, for want of a better word, lurchers (race bred non peds or whatever you want to call them) in the whippet races! We ALL can see what you mean !! If you want "Whippet"! only racing, then show your papers !! SIMPLE !!. There are guys like Bob, who race and work there dogs, and enjoy it ! Why can't you guys ????? No, you just must win "Lurcher" racing.. where VERY few actual working Lurchers take part !! As I KEEP saying, why don't you people race your dogs against their peers, out of traps on a real track, instead of racing against LURCHERS who don't have a chance ?? Papers have NO place at working dog shows.I have always worked full pedigree whippets along side my lurchers but i refuse to pay the exploded prices people a charging for papers for a dog i am going to send through fences and hedges so are you trying to say i should not be able to race with other whippets at a country sports fair ?????? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
littlefish 602 Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 For Christ sake it's so simple but for some reason no one will try it they keep knocking it back as no one wants to be first to try something different.Anyone that knows me on here will know I hate the word I am about to use.first we have to forget about papers for whippets they won't work race whippets as whippets only, them we must start a class for NON PEDS (racing lurchers) then a under 23 race and an over 23 race then we can think of the novice class as Albert introduced last year which seemed to go well. I can't see why this wouldn't work provided the prizes were kept the same for all classes. Everyone would be in with a shout and it should get more people giving the racing a go.Then if things started getting back to the same few dogs winning every race an elite class could be introduced for any dog that had won over two races in one season and run over a distance that either a small dog or a big dog could win. What exactly constitutes a 'non-ped' and as was previously asked, who, on the day, stands deciding what is a pedigree whippet (without papers), non-ped whippet, small whippet type, 3/4 grey 1/4 whippet etc? Also, who sorts out the arguments when people dispute the decision? Simplest thing is to have height divisions and anybody with a pedigree whippet who ain't happy can race at whippet racing clubs where only papered whippets are welcome. why would any one want to run a non ped in a whippet race if they had a proper class to run there lurcher in think about it You tell me.........isn't that what this thread is largely about? If they think they might win a rosette, some people would call thier dog many a thing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ladyjane Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 Yes Bob, and I spent a few years racing against lurchers too, when it was true lurchers, no race bred dogs, and mine was the only pure bred whippet. It was mostly simulated lure coursing, not much straight racing back then, and yes, my bitch held her own, she never won, but came second a few times. Was there any moaning, no! What has changed now is that there are races put on for "whippets", not whippet crosses, whippet types or non peds, is that that hard to understand? The whippet folk aren't asking for any special treatment, the show organisers over here have seen the whippet becoming more popular and have tried to accommodate them at their shows, but failed to anticipate that some people would try to race, for want of a better word, lurchers (race bred non peds or whatever you want to call them) in the whippet races! We ALL can see what you mean !! If you want "Whippet"! only racing, then show your papers !! SIMPLE !!. There are guys like Bob, who race and work there dogs, and enjoy it ! Why can't you guys ????? No, you just must win "Lurcher" racing.. where VERY few actual working Lurchers take part !! As I KEEP saying, why don't you people race your dogs against their peers, out of traps on a real track, instead of racing against LURCHERS who don't have a chance ?? they just want to increase the price of pups or stud fee's for there dogs so they have a name for themselves I don't need to race my dogs to increase the price of my pups Danny, nor are any of my dogs at public stud, a dog dealer I am NOT!! never said yourself janet but there is a good few at it I agree Danny, there are more whippets about now than ever, some just breed without any thought of how they will ever get homes for the pups. I know of one litter that was bred and some of them ended up in rescue!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ladyjane Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 Yes Bob, and I spent a few years racing against lurchers too, when it was true lurchers, no race bred dogs, and mine was the only pure bred whippet. It was mostly simulated lure coursing, not much straight racing back then, and yes, my bitch held her own, she never won, but came second a few times. Was there any moaning, no! What has changed now is that there are races put on for "whippets", not whippet crosses, whippet types or non peds, is that that hard to understand? The whippet folk aren't asking for any special treatment, the show organisers over here have seen the whippet becoming more popular and have tried to accommodate them at their shows, but failed to anticipate that some people would try to race, for want of a better word, lurchers (race bred non peds or whatever you want to call them) in the whippet races! We ALL can see what you mean !! If you want "Whippet"! only racing, then show your papers !! SIMPLE !!. There are guys like Bob, who race and work there dogs, and enjoy it ! Why can't you guys ????? No, you just must win "Lurcher" racing.. where VERY few actual working Lurchers take part !! As I KEEP saying, why don't you people race your dogs against their peers, out of traps on a real track, instead of racing against LURCHERS who don't have a chance ?? I really have no idea why you keep saying we are trying to run against lurchers??? That is NOT the point here, the point is that organisers are putting on races for WHIPPETS, what is so hard to understand? They also put on LURCHER races for over and under 23 inches, I keep pure bred, KC reg whippets, not whippet types or non peds, I don't agree with having to show papers as a lot of the whippets, who are pure bred, may not have them, that doesn't mean they are not pure bred. And yes we do race and work our dogs over here and we do enjoy it, except when some LURCHER owners run their LURCHERS in the whippet class. (I do use the term lurcher loosely here, because I do agree with you when you differentiate between race bred dogs and true working lurchers!) Janet janet not all work there whippets there is a black and white and the words from the owners mouth was i would not work him in case he gets injured and he say's he wasn't beaten which he was Jeez this must be a first Danny, am agreeing with you twice in the one nite lol. I know exactly what you are talking about!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chartpolski 28,704 Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 For Christ sake it's so simple but for some reason no one will try it they keep knocking it back as no one wants to be first to try something different.Anyone that knows me on here will know I hate the word I am about to use.first we have to forget about papers for whippets they won't work race whippets as whippets only, them we must start a class for NON PEDS (racing lurchers) then a under 23 race and an over 23 race then we can think of the novice class as Albert introduced last year which seemed to go well. I can't see why this wouldn't work provided the prizes were kept the same for all classes. Everyone would be in with a shout and it should get more people giving the racing a go.Then if things started getting back to the same few dogs winning every race an elite class could be introduced for any dog that had won over two races in one season and run over a distance that either a small dog or a big dog could win. What exactly constitutes a 'non-ped' and as was previously asked, who, on the day, stands deciding what is a pedigree whippet (without papers), non-ped whippet, small whippet type, 3/4 grey 1/4 whippet etc? Also, who sorts out the arguments when people dispute the decision? Simplest thing is to have height divisions and anybody with a pedigree whippet who ain't happy can race at whippet racing clubs where only papered whippets are welcome. why would any one want to run a non ped in a whippet race if they had a proper class to run there lurcher in think about it Because there is arsholes who will do anything for a rosette !! Cheers. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
littlefish 602 Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 For Christ sake it's so simple but for some reason no one will try it they keep knocking it back as no one wants to be first to try something different.Anyone that knows me on here will know I hate the word I am about to use.first we have to forget about papers for whippets they won't work race whippets as whippets only, them we must start a class for NON PEDS (racing lurchers) then a under 23 race and an over 23 race then we can think of the novice class as Albert introduced last year which seemed to go well. I can't see why this wouldn't work provided the prizes were kept the same for all classes. Everyone would be in with a shout and it should get more people giving the racing a go.Then if things started getting back to the same few dogs winning every race an elite class could be introduced for any dog that had won over two races in one season and run over a distance that either a small dog or a big dog could win. What exactly constitutes a 'non-ped' and as was previously asked, who, on the day, stands deciding what is a pedigree whippet (without papers), non-ped whippet, small whippet type, 3/4 grey 1/4 whippet etc? Also, who sorts out the arguments when people dispute the decision? Simplest thing is to have height divisions and anybody with a pedigree whippet who ain't happy can race at whippet racing clubs where only papered whippets are welcome. why would any one want to run a non ped in a whippet race if they had a proper class to run there lurcher in think about it Because there is arsholes who will do anything for a rosette !! Cheers. I tried to say it politely . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
danny300 2,240 Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 Yes Bob, and I spent a few years racing against lurchers too, when it was true lurchers, no race bred dogs, and mine was the only pure bred whippet. It was mostly simulated lure coursing, not much straight racing back then, and yes, my bitch held her own, she never won, but came second a few times. Was there any moaning, no! What has changed now is that there are races put on for "whippets", not whippet crosses, whippet types or non peds, is that that hard to understand? The whippet folk aren't asking for any special treatment, the show organisers over here have seen the whippet becoming more popular and have tried to accommodate them at their shows, but failed to anticipate that some people would try to race, for want of a better word, lurchers (race bred non peds or whatever you want to call them) in the whippet races! We ALL can see what you mean !! If you want "Whippet"! only racing, then show your papers !! SIMPLE !!. There are guys like Bob, who race and work there dogs, and enjoy it ! Why can't you guys ????? No, you just must win "Lurcher" racing.. where VERY few actual working Lurchers take part !! As I KEEP saying, why don't you people race your dogs against their peers, out of traps on a real track, instead of racing against LURCHERS who don't have a chance ?? I really have no idea why you keep saying we are trying to run against lurchers??? That is NOT the point here, the point is that organisers are putting on races for WHIPPETS, what is so hard to understand? They also put on LURCHER races for over and under 23 inches, I keep pure bred, KC reg whippets, not whippet types or non peds, I don't agree with having to show papers as a lot of the whippets, who are pure bred, may not have them, that doesn't mean they are not pure bred. And yes we do race and work our dogs over here and we do enjoy it, except when some LURCHER owners run their LURCHERS in the whippet class. (I do use the term lurcher loosely here, because I do agree with you when you differentiate between race bred dogs and true working lurchers!) Janet janet not all work there whippets there is a black and white and the words from the owners mouth was i would not work him in case he gets injured and he say's he wasn't beaten which he was Jeez this must be a first Danny, am agreeing with you twice in the one nite lol. I know exactly what you are talking about!! its people like that who are making the biggest fuss about the racing cause he don't want to loose Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lesleyd 24 Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 Yes Bob, and I spent a few years racing against lurchers too, when it was true lurchers, no race bred dogs, and mine was the only pure bred whippet. It was mostly simulated lure coursing, not much straight racing back then, and yes, my bitch held her own, she never won, but came second a few times. Was there any moaning, no! What has changed now is that there are races put on for "whippets", not whippet crosses, whippet types or non peds, is that that hard to understand? The whippet folk aren't asking for any special treatment, the show organisers over here have seen the whippet becoming more popular and have tried to accommodate them at their shows, but failed to anticipate that some people would try to race, for want of a better word, lurchers (race bred non peds or whatever you want to call them) in the whippet races! We ALL can see what you mean !! If you want "Whippet"! only racing, then show your papers !! SIMPLE !!. There are guys like Bob, who race and work there dogs, and enjoy it ! Why can't you guys ????? No, you just must win "Lurcher" racing.. where VERY few actual working Lurchers take part !! As I KEEP saying, why don't you people race your dogs against their peers, out of traps on a real track, instead of racing against LURCHERS who don't have a chance ?? I really have no idea why you keep saying we are trying to run against lurchers??? That is NOT the point here, the point is that organisers are putting on races for WHIPPETS, what is so hard to understand? They also put on LURCHER races for over and under 23 inches, I keep pure bred, KC reg whippets, not whippet types or non peds, I don't agree with having to show papers as a lot of the whippets, who are pure bred, may not have them, that doesn't mean they are not pure bred. And yes we do race and work our dogs over here and we do enjoy it, except when some LURCHER owners run their LURCHERS in the whippet class. (I do use the term lurcher loosely here, because I do agree with you when you differentiate between race bred dogs and true working lurchers!) Janet janet not all work there whippets there is a black and white and the words from the owners mouth was i would not work him in case he gets injured and he say's he wasn't beaten which he was Jeez this must be a first Danny, am agreeing with you twice in the one nite lol. I know exactly what you are talking about!! maybe we are getting somewhere if people are starting to agree with danny 300 lol 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Sorley Boys clan Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 (edited) anybody a whippet greyhound bitch i need one must be working in n ire Edited February 10, 2012 by Sorley Boys clan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dazzam 239 Posted February 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 It's looking like we are possibly going to have the following races during the show season:- KC Whippets with papers KC Whippets no papers under 21" under 23" over 23" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
up the beam 65 Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 I still think too many people are getting non reg whippets confused with non peds as I don't think the whippet people are bothered about racing reg whippets and non reg whippets together as most of them own both and would be happy enough to race them in the same race. Correct me if I'm wrong please Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ladyjane Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 I still think too many people are getting non reg whippets confused with non peds as I don't think the whippet people are bothered about racing reg whippets and non reg whippets together as most of them own both and would be happy enough to race them in the same race. Correct me if I'm wrong please You are not wrong!! (are you ever???) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
littlefish 602 Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 I still think too many people are getting non reg whippets confused with non peds as I don't think the whippet people are bothered about racing reg whippets and non reg whippets together as most of them own both and would be happy enough to race them in the same race. Correct me if I'm wrong please That might be ok until............a dog with no papers wins and someone who has a dog with papers questions the authenticity of the winner's pedigree and asks for proof..........? Not everyone is a sporting winner or loser.........Handbags at the ready!!!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lesleyd 24 Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 I still think too many people are getting non reg whippets confused with non peds as I don't think the whippet people are bothered about racing reg whippets and non reg whippets together as most of them own both and would be happy enough to race them in the same race. Correct me if I'm wrong please You are not wrong!! (are you ever???) i will answer that ................yes Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ladyjane Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 We'll cross that bridge when we come to it, I can honestly say we have had very few, if any, problems at the Sporting Whippet Club, we race and show all whippets with or without papers, there is a committee in place to make decisions if any arguments arise. To my mind that's what has been wrong with general T&L shows, the organisers have neither the balls nor the inclination to get involved. One organiser actually said, in front of quite a large group of people, if someone brings a rough coated dog and says it's a whippet I will let it race in the whippet race!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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