littlefish 602 Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 Here's a no brainer, over the course of the year:- Under 21" will be won by a non ped with greyhound blood Under 23" will be won by a non ped with greyhound blood Over 23" will be won by a non ped with greyhound blood or possibly an umarked greyhound In other words anyone who wants to compete at the lurcher racing needs to keep an eye on the K9 non ped section to see whats being bred daz can i ask what your goin to race this year mate A non ped whippetxgreyhound. Hopefully she'll stay under 21". At 8 months she is 20 3/4". She was bought to be a wee rabbiting dog and to race at the odd show. Some people will argue that it's a longdog and not a lurcher depending on who's definition you choose as to what a lurcher is. In my opinion anyone who seriously wants to compete at the lurcher racing needs non ped whippet/greyhound blood. Could this perhaps be interpreted as the 'lurcher racing' at gamefairs is being taken too seriously? Surely 'lurcher racing' should be a bit of fun...........or maybe not? Lurcher racing at gamefairs being taken too seriously? You think so. No way!!!!!!!! who would ever dream of such a thing? FIGHT!!!!........FIGHT!!! Handbags at the ready!!!!! 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
up the beam 65 Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 For Christ sake it's so simple but for some reason no one will try it they keep knocking it back as no one wants to be first to try something different.Anyone that knows me on here will know I hate the word I am about to use.first we have to forget about papers for whippets they won't work race whippets as whippets only, them we must start a class for NON PEDS (racing lurchers) then a under 23 race and an over 23 race then we can think of the novice class as Albert introduced last year which seemed to go well. I can't see why this wouldn't work provided the prizes were kept the same for all classes. Everyone would be in with a shout and it should get more people giving the racing a go.Then if things started getting back to the same few dogs winning every race an elite class could be introduced for any dog that had won over two races in one season and run over a distance that either a small dog or a big dog could win. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chartpolski 28,704 Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 Yes Bob, and I spent a few years racing against lurchers too, when it was true lurchers, no race bred dogs, and mine was the only pure bred whippet. It was mostly simulated lure coursing, not much straight racing back then, and yes, my bitch held her own, she never won, but came second a few times. Was there any moaning, no! What has changed now is that there are races put on for "whippets", not whippet crosses, whippet types or non peds, is that that hard to understand? The whippet folk aren't asking for any special treatment, the show organisers over here have seen the whippet becoming more popular and have tried to accommodate them at their shows, but failed to anticipate that some people would try to race, for want of a better word, lurchers (race bred non peds or whatever you want to call them) in the whippet races! We ALL can see what you mean !! If you want "Whippet"! only racing, then show your papers !! SIMPLE !!. There are guys like Bob, who race and work there dogs, and enjoy it ! Why can't you guys ????? No, you just must win "Lurcher" racing.. where VERY few actual working Lurchers take part !! As I KEEP saying, why don't you people race your dogs against their peers, out of traps on a real track, instead of racing against LURCHERS who don't have a chance ?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
danny300 2,240 Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 Yes Bob, and I spent a few years racing against lurchers too, when it was true lurchers, no race bred dogs, and mine was the only pure bred whippet. It was mostly simulated lure coursing, not much straight racing back then, and yes, my bitch held her own, she never won, but came second a few times. Was there any moaning, no! What has changed now is that there are races put on for "whippets", not whippet crosses, whippet types or non peds, is that that hard to understand? The whippet folk aren't asking for any special treatment, the show organisers over here have seen the whippet becoming more popular and have tried to accommodate them at their shows, but failed to anticipate that some people would try to race, for want of a better word, lurchers (race bred non peds or whatever you want to call them) in the whippet races! We ALL can see what you mean !! If you want "Whippet"! only racing, then show your papers !! SIMPLE !!. There are guys like Bob, who race and work there dogs, and enjoy it ! Why can't you guys ????? No, you just must win "Lurcher" racing.. where VERY few actual working Lurchers take part !! As I KEEP saying, why don't you people race your dogs against their peers, out of traps on a real track, instead of racing against LURCHERS who don't have a chance ?? they just want to increase the price of pups or stud fee's for there dogs so they have a name for themselves Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chartpolski 28,704 Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 Here we go again, knock the whippet people! There are only two sets of people who have created this problem, the show organisers who see £ signs and have put on whippet show classes and racing knowing they'll be well supported, but who refuse to police it, and the lurcher people intent on cheating! After all, would you get away with showing a rough under 23 in a smooth over 23 show class?? I don't think so, there'd be uproar, especially if the rough under won! There are actually very few whippet people on here complaining, and personally I agree with Danny300, I can race my whippets at the Sporting Whippet Club race days if I want instead of the terrier and lurcher shows. My point is, if there is a whippet race on the programme, then it has to be for whippets only. Janet I don't think it's the "LURCHER" people who are cheating !! Far from it.. I think most LURCHER people are avoiding the so called "Lurcher racing" because it's been taking over by people who only have winning in mind, and are using race bred Non-Ped Whippets and unregistered Greyhounds !! The working Lurcher, that does a winters graft, and then has a run at a show in the summer, now has NO chance against these dogs; so please don't accuse the LURCHER owners of cheating !! Cheers. Race bred Non-Ped Whippets make excellent working dogs also. I started over 45 years ago with Non-Ped Whippets ! I raced them and coursed them with great success I had pups from Bilko, Darley Fly, Haymaker, Yorky Boy, etc, so I don't think I need anyone telling me how good Non-Peds are. Cheers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ladyjane Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 Yes Bob, and I spent a few years racing against lurchers too, when it was true lurchers, no race bred dogs, and mine was the only pure bred whippet. It was mostly simulated lure coursing, not much straight racing back then, and yes, my bitch held her own, she never won, but came second a few times. Was there any moaning, no! What has changed now is that there are races put on for "whippets", not whippet crosses, whippet types or non peds, is that that hard to understand? The whippet folk aren't asking for any special treatment, the show organisers over here have seen the whippet becoming more popular and have tried to accommodate them at their shows, but failed to anticipate that some people would try to race, for want of a better word, lurchers (race bred non peds or whatever you want to call them) in the whippet races! We ALL can see what you mean !! If you want "Whippet"! only racing, then show your papers !! SIMPLE !!. There are guys like Bob, who race and work there dogs, and enjoy it ! Why can't you guys ????? No, you just must win "Lurcher" racing.. where VERY few actual working Lurchers take part !! As I KEEP saying, why don't you people race your dogs against their peers, out of traps on a real track, instead of racing against LURCHERS who don't have a chance ?? I really have no idea why you keep saying we are trying to run against lurchers??? That is NOT the point here, the point is that organisers are putting on races for WHIPPETS, what is so hard to understand? They also put on LURCHER races for over and under 23 inches, I keep pure bred, KC reg whippets, not whippet types or non peds, I don't agree with having to show papers as a lot of the whippets, who are pure bred, may not have them, that doesn't mean they are not pure bred. And yes we do race and work our dogs over here and we do enjoy it, except when some LURCHER owners run their LURCHERS in the whippet class. (I do use the term lurcher loosely here, because I do agree with you when you differentiate between race bred dogs and true working lurchers!) Janet Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ladyjane Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 (edited) Yes Bob, and I spent a few years racing against lurchers too, when it was true lurchers, no race bred dogs, and mine was the only pure bred whippet. It was mostly simulated lure coursing, not much straight racing back then, and yes, my bitch held her own, she never won, but came second a few times. Was there any moaning, no! What has changed now is that there are races put on for "whippets", not whippet crosses, whippet types or non peds, is that that hard to understand? The whippet folk aren't asking for any special treatment, the show organisers over here have seen the whippet becoming more popular and have tried to accommodate them at their shows, but failed to anticipate that some people would try to race, for want of a better word, lurchers (race bred non peds or whatever you want to call them) in the whippet races! We ALL can see what you mean !! If you want "Whippet"! only racing, then show your papers !! SIMPLE !!. There are guys like Bob, who race and work there dogs, and enjoy it ! Why can't you guys ????? No, you just must win "Lurcher" racing.. where VERY few actual working Lurchers take part !! As I KEEP saying, why don't you people race your dogs against their peers, out of traps on a real track, instead of racing against LURCHERS who don't have a chance ?? they just want to increase the price of pups or stud fee's for there dogs so they have a name for themselves I don't need to race my dogs to increase the price of my pups Danny, nor are any of my dogs at public stud, a dog dealer I am NOT!! Edited February 10, 2012 by ladyjane Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dazzam 239 Posted February 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 Here's a no brainer, over the course of the year:- Under 21" will be won by a non ped with greyhound blood Under 23" will be won by a non ped with greyhound blood Over 23" will be won by a non ped with greyhound blood or possibly an umarked greyhound In other words anyone who wants to compete at the lurcher racing needs to keep an eye on the K9 non ped section to see whats being bred daz can i ask what your goin to race this year mate A non ped whippetxgreyhound. Hopefully she'll stay under 21". At 8 months she is 20 3/4". She was bought to be a wee rabbiting dog and to race at the odd show. Some people will argue that it's a longdog and not a lurcher depending on who's definition you choose as to what a lurcher is. In my opinion anyone who seriously wants to compete at the lurcher racing needs non ped whippet/greyhound blood. Could this perhaps be interpreted as the 'lurcher racing' at gamefairs is being taken too seriously? Surely 'lurcher racing' should be a bit of fun...........or maybe not? Lurcher racing at gamefairs being taken too seriously? You think so. No way!!!!!!!! who would ever dream of such a thing? FIGHT!!!!........FIGHT!!! Handbags at the ready!!!!! LOL Who'll win the bitch in trap 1(red jacket) OR trap 2(blue jacket) 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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littlefish 602 Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 For Christ sake it's so simple but for some reason no one will try it they keep knocking it back as no one wants to be first to try something different.Anyone that knows me on here will know I hate the word I am about to use.first we have to forget about papers for whippets they won't work race whippets as whippets only, them we must start a class for NON PEDS (racing lurchers) then a under 23 race and an over 23 race then we can think of the novice class as Albert introduced last year which seemed to go well. I can't see why this wouldn't work provided the prizes were kept the same for all classes. Everyone would be in with a shout and it should get more people giving the racing a go.Then if things started getting back to the same few dogs winning every race an elite class could be introduced for any dog that had won over two races in one season and run over a distance that either a small dog or a big dog could win. What exactly constitutes a 'non-ped' and as was previously asked, who, on the day, stands deciding what is a pedigree whippet (without papers), non-ped whippet, small whippet type, 3/4 grey 1/4 whippet etc? Also, who sorts out the arguments when people dispute the decision? Simplest thing is to have height divisions and anybody with a pedigree whippet who ain't happy can race at whippet racing clubs where only papered whippets are welcome. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
danny300 2,240 Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 Yes Bob, and I spent a few years racing against lurchers too, when it was true lurchers, no race bred dogs, and mine was the only pure bred whippet. It was mostly simulated lure coursing, not much straight racing back then, and yes, my bitch held her own, she never won, but came second a few times. Was there any moaning, no! What has changed now is that there are races put on for "whippets", not whippet crosses, whippet types or non peds, is that that hard to understand? The whippet folk aren't asking for any special treatment, the show organisers over here have seen the whippet becoming more popular and have tried to accommodate them at their shows, but failed to anticipate that some people would try to race, for want of a better word, lurchers (race bred non peds or whatever you want to call them) in the whippet races! We ALL can see what you mean !! If you want "Whippet"! only racing, then show your papers !! SIMPLE !!. There are guys like Bob, who race and work there dogs, and enjoy it ! Why can't you guys ????? No, you just must win "Lurcher" racing.. where VERY few actual working Lurchers take part !! As I KEEP saying, why don't you people race your dogs against their peers, out of traps on a real track, instead of racing against LURCHERS who don't have a chance ?? they just want to increase the price of pups or stud fee's for there dogs so they have a name for themselves I don't need to race my dogs to increase the price of my pups Danny, nor are any of my dogs at public stud, a dog dealer I am NOT!! never said yourself janet but there is a good few at it Quote Link to post Share on other sites
whip x grey 276 Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 there,s another way,,,,those that have papers run together,,,to a final ,,small prize those those who dont have papers run to a final small prize then have a run off to at end for supreme,,,,that way kc with papers have prize,,,non papers whippets have prize,,,,and the run off is just a bonus that way no arguments ,,,everyone goes away happy ,,,and enjoys there day 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
up the beam 65 Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 For Christ sake it's so simple but for some reason no one will try it they keep knocking it back as no one wants to be first to try something different.Anyone that knows me on here will know I hate the word I am about to use.first we have to forget about papers for whippets they won't work race whippets as whippets only, them we must start a class for NON PEDS (racing lurchers) then a under 23 race and an over 23 race then we can think of the novice class as Albert introduced last year which seemed to go well. I can't see why this wouldn't work provided the prizes were kept the same for all classes. Everyone would be in with a shout and it should get more people giving the racing a go.Then if things started getting back to the same few dogs winning every race an elite class could be introduced for any dog that had won over two races in one season and run over a distance that either a small dog or a big dog could win. What exactly constitutes a 'non-ped' and as was previously asked, who, on the day, stands deciding what is a pedigree whippet (without papers), non-ped whippet, small whippet type, 3/4 grey 1/4 whippet etc? Also, who sorts out the arguments when people dispute the decision? Simplest thing is to have height divisions and anybody with a pedigree whippet who ain't happy can race at whippet racing clubs where only papered whippets are welcome. why would any one want to run a non ped in a whippet race if they had a proper class to run there lurcher in think about it Quote Link to post Share on other sites
danny300 2,240 Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 Yes Bob, and I spent a few years racing against lurchers too, when it was true lurchers, no race bred dogs, and mine was the only pure bred whippet. It was mostly simulated lure coursing, not much straight racing back then, and yes, my bitch held her own, she never won, but came second a few times. Was there any moaning, no! What has changed now is that there are races put on for "whippets", not whippet crosses, whippet types or non peds, is that that hard to understand? The whippet folk aren't asking for any special treatment, the show organisers over here have seen the whippet becoming more popular and have tried to accommodate them at their shows, but failed to anticipate that some people would try to race, for want of a better word, lurchers (race bred non peds or whatever you want to call them) in the whippet races! We ALL can see what you mean !! If you want "Whippet"! only racing, then show your papers !! SIMPLE !!. There are guys like Bob, who race and work there dogs, and enjoy it ! Why can't you guys ????? No, you just must win "Lurcher" racing.. where VERY few actual working Lurchers take part !! As I KEEP saying, why don't you people race your dogs against their peers, out of traps on a real track, instead of racing against LURCHERS who don't have a chance ?? I really have no idea why you keep saying we are trying to run against lurchers??? That is NOT the point here, the point is that organisers are putting on races for WHIPPETS, what is so hard to understand? They also put on LURCHER races for over and under 23 inches, I keep pure bred, KC reg whippets, not whippet types or non peds, I don't agree with having to show papers as a lot of the whippets, who are pure bred, may not have them, that doesn't mean they are not pure bred. And yes we do race and work our dogs over here and we do enjoy it, except when some LURCHER owners run their LURCHERS in the whippet class. (I do use the term lurcher loosely here, because I do agree with you when you differentiate between race bred dogs and true working lurchers!) Janet janet not all work there whippets there is a black and white and the words from the owners mouth was i would not work him in case he gets injured and he say's he wasn't beaten which he was Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chartpolski 28,704 Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 Yes Bob, and I spent a few years racing against lurchers too, when it was true lurchers, no race bred dogs, and mine was the only pure bred whippet. It was mostly simulated lure coursing, not much straight racing back then, and yes, my bitch held her own, she never won, but came second a few times. Was there any moaning, no! What has changed now is that there are races put on for "whippets", not whippet crosses, whippet types or non peds, is that that hard to understand? The whippet folk aren't asking for any special treatment, the show organisers over here have seen the whippet becoming more popular and have tried to accommodate them at their shows, but failed to anticipate that some people would try to race, for want of a better word, lurchers (race bred non peds or whatever you want to call them) in the whippet races! We ALL can see what you mean !! If you want "Whippet"! only racing, then show your papers !! SIMPLE !!. There are guys like Bob, who race and work there dogs, and enjoy it ! Why can't you guys ????? No, you just must win "Lurcher" racing.. where VERY few actual working Lurchers take part !! As I KEEP saying, why don't you people race your dogs against their peers, out of traps on a real track, instead of racing against LURCHERS who don't have a chance ?? I really have no idea why you keep saying we are trying to run against lurchers??? That is NOT the point here, the point is that organisers are putting on races for WHIPPETS, what is so hard to understand? They also put on LURCHER races for over and under 23 inches, I keep pure bred, KC reg whippets, not whippet types or non peds, I don't agree with having to show papers as a lot of the whippets, who are pure bred, may not have them, that doesn't mean they are not pure bred. And yes we do race and work our dogs over here and we do enjoy it, except when some LURCHER owners run their LURCHERS in the whippet class. (I do use the term lurcher loosely here, because I do agree with you when you differentiate between race bred dogs and true working lurchers!) Janet Well, it's EXTREMLY simple !!! If you go to a LURCHER Show and enter a WHIPPET class, be it racing or showing, be prepared to show your papers ! I judged the Whippet Show at Birr two years ago, and had to make a decision between what I thought was the best "Whippet" and the best "Working Whippet" I made my decision, and it wasn't the worker, simply because it was a show and i was looking for the dog that most suit the "standard" Please don't think I dont know working dogs, especialy Whippets !! Cheers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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