Royston2 0 Posted March 27, 2007 Report Share Posted March 27, 2007 (edited) its not what theyr out of you can put the best to the best it dont mean anything its what you show them you show them the work and they will go you only get out what you put in The computers are a great place and theres a lot of people on here who know what there on about word of warning after reading this thread this computer hunter is exactly that take advice from him about terriers and your on a downward spiral he knows nothing....... Computer hunter dont take this wrong its just i cant stomach miss guidance.....Dont start a row just really think on how much earth work YOU have done with YOUR dogs not just talked to people in the pub.... Edited to add you might know a bit about working dogs lurchers etc but the terriers are a different ball game nothing like the lurchers not even close.... Edited March 27, 2007 by Royston2 Quote Link to post
Guest mucker Posted March 27, 2007 Report Share Posted March 27, 2007 thats what im trying to do now put my russel dog over a bitch and keep a pup back hopefully the pup will make the grade butt who knows? it doesnt work that way il put my time and effort into him butt there aint much i can do after that your best off trying to keep as many of the litter as you can. Quote Link to post
Stabs 3 Posted March 27, 2007 Report Share Posted March 27, 2007 You can waste a lot of time and produce a lot of waste trying to reinvent the wheel. As you churn out more dogs in an attempt to breed life into an exotic/unusual breed, unless you don’t have and maintain the highest standards, you are consigning yourself to a lot of heartache and failures. Even when you have two good workers, you have to ask yourself what’s behind them…what are they likely to throw? Sometimes worker to worker is simply not enough. Ultimately you have to realise that you are trying to replicate that which already exists. But knowing human nature, there will always be people who want to be different, to stand out from the crowd. There are a lot of people out there who like a novelty, a gimmick if you like, be that different names, colours, sizes – whatever. It might be the boring choice and every other working terrier bloke you come across might have one too, but go for what’s reliable. Go for what does the business time after time. If you are in this for the long haul (and some aren’t) then try to start off on the right foot, start with the very best you can obtain and try to not fall into the trap of making excuses for them. Quote Link to post
Guest COMPUTER HUNTER Posted March 27, 2007 Report Share Posted March 27, 2007 (edited) its not what theyr out of you can put the best to the best it dont mean anything its what you show them you show them the work and they will go you only get out what you put in The computers are a great place and theres a lot of people on here who know what there on about word of warning after reading this thread this computer hunter is exactly that take advice from him about terriers and your on a downward spiral he knows nothing....... Computer hunter dont take this wrong its just i cant stomach miss guidance.....Dont start a row just really think on how much earth work YOU have done with YOUR dogs not just talked to people in the pub.... Edited to add you might know a bit about working dogs lurchers etc but the terriers are a different ball game nothing like the lurchers not even close.... iv worked this way for aslong as iv had working dogs only had them 9 yrs and with the help of my oldman that have worked dogs 23 yrs i aint gone far wrong my dogs do what i ask of them cant ask for more happy cyber hunting mate Edited March 27, 2007 by COMPUTER HUNTER Quote Link to post
Squirrel_Basher 17,101 Posted March 29, 2007 Report Share Posted March 29, 2007 To shed some light on this subject of using and breeding non proven,unknown stock . Some terriers of unknown breeding WILL work and some work very well but when it comes to the breeding of such a dog then you are taking a risk because the parents are unknown ard undesirable traits can show in the next or subsequent litters .Lines of terriers are not produced for nothing ,they contain the genes which produce a HIGH PERCENTAGE of workers and this is the difference .If you do only a minimum of digging and your standard is low ,you may be happy with producing hit or miss offspring but the lads that dig regular will all tell you that a proven line is what is needed . Ive said it before but not enough lads are prepared to search for a sire to improve their stock and are usually happy to make do with a mates good dog just because its local. We should all strive to better the next generation and not make do . Foxdropper . Quote Link to post
jpnixon 7 Posted March 29, 2007 Report Share Posted March 29, 2007 at the minute i have a dog that is just a pet but i have had him out and he has had 4 digs and not one of them could i find a falut. As with everything there is always an exception to the rule. What i mean is if your looking for a pup you wont buy from miss lakeland cruffts breeding champion you will look for the fella that has a working line of lakeland types that are proven dogs but every now and again a terrier will come along with the drive that your looking for in a dog and will make a good terrier. JMHO Quote Link to post
Guest ragumup Posted March 29, 2007 Report Share Posted March 29, 2007 its not what theyr out of you can put the best to the best it dont mean anything its what you show them you show them the work and they will go you only get out what you put in The computers are a great place and theres a lot of people on here who know what there on about word of warning after reading this thread this computer hunter is exactly that take advice from him about terriers and your on a downward spiral he knows nothing....... Computer hunter dont take this wrong its just i cant stomach miss guidance.....Dont start a row just really think on how much earth work YOU have done with YOUR dogs not just talked to people in the pub.... Edited to add you might know a bit about working dogs lurchers etc but the terriers are a different ball game nothing like the lurchers not even close.... i have to agree Quote Link to post
Guest ceredigion bull cross Posted March 29, 2007 Report Share Posted March 29, 2007 i personally think it's a good idea to keep as many of the litter as possible for as long as is possible , that way you can pick the best and pet home the rest Quote Link to post
Guest foxtrack Posted March 29, 2007 Report Share Posted March 29, 2007 hi all ive been offerd a terrier 7 months old not sure if its from working stuff but any of you had one from none working parents and had it goin ? no mate but ive had a few from some 100% digging lines thats been nothing but shit Quote Link to post
TOPPER 1,809 Posted March 30, 2007 Report Share Posted March 30, 2007 NO ONE CAN GAURANTEE A DOG, THEY HAVE TO HAVE THAT SPARK BUT ALOT OF HOW A DOG WILL WORK IS INSTILLED IN HIS EARLY DAYS AS A PUP IF THE DOG IS STUCK OUT IN THE KENNEL BORED SHITLESS DAY AFTER DAY YOU CANT EXPECT IT TO WORK WELL, WERE AS A PUP THATS BEEN PLAYED WITH AND IS USED TO PLAY FIGHTIN WITH THE OTHERS WILL ALWAYS BE KEENER YOU HAVE TO TRY AND BRING OUT THE BEST IN HIM LET HIM RAG A DEAD RABBIT - FOX LET HIM WATCH AND LEARN FROM THE OTHER DOGS BUT DON T EXPECT MIRICLES AND NEVER PUSH A YOUNG DOG ON TO EARLY AS THE SAYIN GOES START EARLY RETIRE EARLY Quote Link to post
sambo123 676 Posted March 30, 2007 Report Share Posted March 30, 2007 both my dogs are from 'pet' parents and are keen as fu*k when it comes to ratting,rabbiting. both go to ground too if thats what your asking. yet to find a fox yet though.im sure they would do me proud though, theyll have a go at anything that moves. (except ferrets of course) sambo Quote Link to post
pockets 0 Posted March 30, 2007 Report Share Posted March 30, 2007 its not what theyr out of you can put the best to the best it dont mean anything its what you show them you show them the work and they will go you only get out what you put in You wouldnt happen to have a father called "Brian" would you its been a long time since i heard this crap Quote Link to post
Guest COMPUTER HUNTER Posted March 30, 2007 Report Share Posted March 30, 2007 (edited) NO ONE CAN GAURANTEE A DOG, THEY HAVE TO HAVE THAT SPARK BUT ALOT OF HOW A DOG WILL WORK IS INSTILLED IN HIS EARLY DAYS AS A PUP IF THE DOG IS STUCK OUT IN THE KENNEL BORED SHITLESS DAY AFTER DAY YOU CANT EXPECT IT TO WORK WELL, WERE AS A PUP THATS BEEN PLAYED WITH AND IS USED TO PLAY FIGHTIN WITH THE OTHERS WILL ALWAYS BE KEENER YOU HAVE TO TRY AND BRING OUT THE BEST IN HIM LET HIM RAG A DEAD RABBIT - FOX LET HIM WATCH AND LEARN FROM THE OTHER DOGS BUT DON T EXPECT MIRICLES AND NEVER PUSH A YOUNG DOG ON TO EARLY AS THE SAYIN GOES START EARLY RETIRE EARLY its not what theyr out of you can put the best to the best it dont mean anything its what you show them you show them the work and they will go you only get out what you put in You wouldnt happen to have a father called "Brian" would you its been a long time since i heard this crap how about leave ur keyboard 4 a week or 2 get out and work some dogs and find out happy cyber hunting Edited March 30, 2007 by COMPUTER HUNTER Quote Link to post
pockets 0 Posted March 30, 2007 Report Share Posted March 30, 2007 NO ONE CAN GAURANTEE A DOG, THEY HAVE TO HAVE THAT SPARK BUT ALOT OF HOW A DOG WILL WORK IS INSTILLED IN HIS EARLY DAYS AS A PUP IF THE DOG IS STUCK OUT IN THE KENNEL BORED SHITLESS DAY AFTER DAY YOU CANT EXPECT IT TO WORK WELL, WERE AS A PUP THATS BEEN PLAYED WITH AND IS USED TO PLAY FIGHTIN WITH THE OTHERS WILL ALWAYS BE KEENER YOU HAVE TO TRY AND BRING OUT THE BEST IN HIM LET HIM RAG A DEAD RABBIT - FOX LET HIM WATCH AND LEARN FROM THE OTHER DOGS BUT DON T EXPECT MIRICLES AND NEVER PUSH A YOUNG DOG ON TO EARLY AS THE SAYIN GOES START EARLY RETIRE EARLY its not what theyr out of you can put the best to the best it dont mean anything its what you show them you show them the work and they will go you only get out what you put in You wouldnt happen to have a father called "Brian" would you its been a long time since i heard this crap how about leave ur keyboard 4 a week or 2 get out and work some dogs and find out happy cyber hunting How about you get real and do you seriously beleive that 50 odd years of breeding to type can be circumvented with a scatterbred cur? Because if you do you are a particular individual :whistle: Quote Link to post
Guest COMPUTER HUNTER Posted March 30, 2007 Report Share Posted March 30, 2007 NO ONE CAN GAURANTEE A DOG, THEY HAVE TO HAVE THAT SPARK BUT ALOT OF HOW A DOG WILL WORK IS INSTILLED IN HIS EARLY DAYS AS A PUP IF THE DOG IS STUCK OUT IN THE KENNEL BORED SHITLESS DAY AFTER DAY YOU CANT EXPECT IT TO WORK WELL, WERE AS A PUP THATS BEEN PLAYED WITH AND IS USED TO PLAY FIGHTIN WITH THE OTHERS WILL ALWAYS BE KEENER YOU HAVE TO TRY AND BRING OUT THE BEST IN HIM LET HIM RAG A DEAD RABBIT - FOX LET HIM WATCH AND LEARN FROM THE OTHER DOGS BUT DON T EXPECT MIRICLES AND NEVER PUSH A YOUNG DOG ON TO EARLY AS THE SAYIN GOES START EARLY RETIRE EARLY its not what theyr out of you can put the best to the best it dont mean anything its what you show them you show them the work and they will go you only get out what you put in You wouldnt happen to have a father called "Brian" would you its been a long time since i heard this crap how about leave ur keyboard 4 a week or 2 get out and work some dogs and find out happy cyber hunting How about you get real and do you seriously beleive that 50 odd years of breeding to type can be circumvented with a scatterbred cur? Because if you do you are a particular individual :whistle: 2 b honest mate dont want 2 get into an argument butt i dont give 2 fucks about ur 50 odd yrs ur of breeding im happy with my dogs and im sure ur happy with urs lets keep it that way Quote Link to post
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