Ideation 8,217 Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 Not wanting to get into an argument .Basically my pups/dogs can run,jump, chase,swim and piss about as much as they like and enjoy things .However I`m in charge when the hunt is on and it`s as simple as that.Some pups that i have had have went to friends and they were delighted with the pups ,but ? i DO not think i expect 2 much from a well trained dog. Which is all well and good, but how do you ACTUALLY train this? If i took your dogs, beat a hare past them, slipped them and after 10/20 yards when they were right on it, you could call 'YAK' and they would about turn and trot back? It's not an argument, it's a conversation. From very young pup after all the retrieving games are finished,start throwing the dummy long distances,then call the pup back halfway through.Gradually shorten the didtance to less than 20 yds.Now try it with a second person,standing 100 yds from you send the pup and recall after 50yds,then shorten the distance to 50 yds and leave it at that for a few weeks. Now get your partner to run like fook from 100yds away and let the dog follow,now introduce the command and shorten the distance before issuing the STOP command.As i say over the top 4 many people ,but i require it of my dogs. The shitter is that my dogs bright enough to know the difference between a dummy, a person, and quarry. Guess its not,bright enough to respond to a command though. See thats the thing, i could call him off a dummy or off my mate running across a field, all i'm saying is if a hare or rabbit went past the dog at speed and he started after it and go on top of it, i couldn't shout a word and have him suddenly pull off and come straight back, leaving the hare/rabbit to leg it across the open field unmolested. COuld you, because that is truly impressive? And i aint knocking ya, no need to be insulting. I have had pups that would not ,stop the chase in full flow and they went on to owners who had them 4 yrs.If you are happy with your wards then enjoy them .To stop a dog in full flow :toast:is childs play in comparison to get it to stop eating its dinner after a day`s fasting . See i would argue not, i would say its a lot easier to get a dog to walk away from a static bowl of food than a rabbit its close to running. So what dogs to you have now that you can call of in full close quarters chase? Quote Link to post
Ideation 8,217 Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 it strikes me from this thread that there is a great variation in what some people ask of a lurcher. That "do-or-die attitude" to take whats at the end of a run is an impressive thing to watch. So is the immediate response of a well trained dog to its handler. So long as you can answer the question honestly, "have I done the best for my dog?" at the end of a day, night or seasons hunting and sleep easy in your bed with the truth then that training has been right for the 2 of you. I have made mistakes in training, and the way I have run my dogs in the past - I will always hope to do the best for the dogs that I have, and not to try and put a shine on my own ego. Cheers, Yorkie I get what your saying mate and i agree both are optimum, a do or die attitude shouldnt over ride good training and a good dog/handler bond, i'm just betting that there are few dogs about that work well that if they were running game in open ground and had turned it a few times, were getting ready to put a strike in, and with a single command could be made to just give it up and come back. . . . . Quote Link to post
rocky1 942 Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 would use not say the dog comes of its prey when called upon,dosen,t have the hunger or the drive or the grit ? Quote Link to post
jimmy100 48 Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 How obedient are you lurchers and what crosses are they? will a 1/4 collie cross be smart enough to sit, lay down, stay, retrieve to hand and come when called? many thanks! can easily be done. 1/4 collie is a good place to start. not as sensitive as a half cross and a little more forgiving of mistakes. you may have to adapt your training methods from what you have had before, especially if its gundogs etc. as a true working lurcher needs to be able to think far more for itself at times. At the end of the day what you talk about is basic obedience and that should be the starting point for the training of any dog spot on regards 1/4 and 1x, 1/4 collie will be a good dog to learn with . Of all my dogs ive had, i would say my 3/8 bull 5/8 grey Tod , as been the easiest to train. He does all basics very easy, walks of lead with sheep, recall is spot on. Ok if he meets people+ dogs he likes to go play with them, well thats ok he is still a pup (7 1/2 months old) even though he is 25in 68lb lol. Colliexs are clever, but so are bullxs if you put the time in Tod +Bryn Impressed but i can see what they are thinking . whats that then crobin??? if your doubting birds training ability then you miles out :feck: bird they are both looking well mate tods certainly making the size you thought he would gonna be a fooking beast lol :laugh: Quote Link to post
Ideation 8,217 Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 How obedient are you lurchers and what crosses are they? will a 1/4 collie cross be smart enough to sit, lay down, stay, retrieve to hand and come when called? many thanks! can easily be done. 1/4 collie is a good place to start. not as sensitive as a half cross and a little more forgiving of mistakes. you may have to adapt your training methods from what you have had before, especially if its gundogs etc. as a true working lurcher needs to be able to think far more for itself at times. At the end of the day what you talk about is basic obedience and that should be the starting point for the training of any dog spot on regards 1/4 and 1x, 1/4 collie will be a good dog to learn with . Of all my dogs ive had, i would say my 3/8 bull 5/8 grey Tod , as been the easiest to train. He does all basics very easy, walks of lead with sheep, recall is spot on. Ok if he meets people+ dogs he likes to go play with them, well thats ok he is still a pup (7 1/2 months old) even though he is 25in 68lb lol. Colliexs are clever, but so are bullxs if you put the time in Tod +Bryn Impressed but i can see what they are thinking . whats that then crobin??? if your doubting birds training ability then you miles out :feck: bird they are both looking well mate tods certainly making the size you thought he would gonna be a fooking beast lol :laugh: Its not her is it? Cos that would explain a lot and make all that i have just read complete and utter bollocks Quote Link to post
jimmy100 48 Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 How obedient are you lurchers and what crosses are they? will a 1/4 collie cross be smart enough to sit, lay down, stay, retrieve to hand and come when called? many thanks! can easily be done. 1/4 collie is a good place to start. not as sensitive as a half cross and a little more forgiving of mistakes. you may have to adapt your training methods from what you have had before, especially if its gundogs etc. as a true working lurcher needs to be able to think far more for itself at times. At the end of the day what you talk about is basic obedience and that should be the starting point for the training of any dog spot on regards 1/4 and 1x, 1/4 collie will be a good dog to learn with . Of all my dogs ive had, i would say my 3/8 bull 5/8 grey Tod , as been the easiest to train. He does all basics very easy, walks of lead with sheep, recall is spot on. Ok if he meets people+ dogs he likes to go play with them, well thats ok he is still a pup (7 1/2 months old) even though he is 25in 68lb lol. Colliexs are clever, but so are bullxs if you put the time in Tod +Bryn Impressed but i can see what they are thinking . whats that then crobin??? if your doubting birds training ability then you miles out :feck: bird they are both looking well mate tods certainly making the size you thought he would gonna be a fooking beast lol :laugh: Its not her is it? Cos that would explain a lot and make all that i have just read complete and utter bollocks well most say it is mate and they both talk the same shit on here id say f**k all to her mate Quote Link to post
BIG ZOOK 5 Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 How obedient are you lurchers and what crosses are they? will a 1/4 collie cross be smart enough to sit, lay down, stay, retrieve to hand and come when called? many thanks! can easily be done. 1/4 collie is a good place to start. not as sensitive as a half cross and a little more forgiving of mistakes. you may have to adapt your training methods from what you have had before, especially if its gundogs etc. as a true working lurcher needs to be able to think far more for itself at times. At the end of the day what you talk about is basic obedience and that should be the starting point for the training of any dog spot on regards 1/4 and 1x, 1/4 collie will be a good dog to learn with . Of all my dogs ive had, i would say my 3/8 bull 5/8 grey Tod , as been the easiest to train. He does all basics very easy, walks of lead with sheep, recall is spot on. Ok if he meets people+ dogs he likes to go play with them, well thats ok he is still a pup (7 1/2 months old) even though he is 25in 68lb lol. Colliexs are clever, but so are bullxs if you put the time in Tod +Bryn Impressed but i can see what they are thinking . whats that then crobin??? if your doubting birds training ability then you miles out :feck: In english please or irish/p***y whatever you understad . Quote Link to post
trenchfoot 4,243 Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 it strikes me from this thread that there is a great variation in what some people ask of a lurcher. That "do-or-die attitude" to take whats at the end of a run is an impressive thing to watch. So is the immediate response of a well trained dog to its handler. So long as you can answer the question honestly, "have I done the best for my dog?" at the end of a day, night or seasons hunting and sleep easy in your bed with the truth then that training has been right for the 2 of you. I have made mistakes in training, and the way I have run my dogs in the past - I will always hope to do the best for the dogs that I have, and not to try and put a shine on my own ego. Cheers, Yorkie I get what your saying mate and i agree both are optimum, a do or die attitude shouldnt over ride good training and a good dog/handler bond, i'm just betting that there are few dogs about that work well that if they were running game in open ground and had turned it a few times, were getting ready to put a strike in, and with a single command could be made to just give it up and come back. . . . . Totally agree with that, had one that was that responsive at times, and we all want to pull something at the end of a run. But we have all had the occasion where, once a dog is on that the need to call it off before its on somethings ar## has been paramount for either the dogs or your benefit. I would rather come home empty handed or without it getting too on top, than what the alternatives may be. IMO, Yorkie Quote Link to post
Ideation 8,217 Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 How obedient are you lurchers and what crosses are they? will a 1/4 collie cross be smart enough to sit, lay down, stay, retrieve to hand and come when called? many thanks! can easily be done. 1/4 collie is a good place to start. not as sensitive as a half cross and a little more forgiving of mistakes. you may have to adapt your training methods from what you have had before, especially if its gundogs etc. as a true working lurcher needs to be able to think far more for itself at times. At the end of the day what you talk about is basic obedience and that should be the starting point for the training of any dog spot on regards 1/4 and 1x, 1/4 collie will be a good dog to learn with . Of all my dogs ive had, i would say my 3/8 bull 5/8 grey Tod , as been the easiest to train. He does all basics very easy, walks of lead with sheep, recall is spot on. Ok if he meets people+ dogs he likes to go play with them, well thats ok he is still a pup (7 1/2 months old) even though he is 25in 68lb lol. Colliexs are clever, but so are bullxs if you put the time in Tod +Bryn Impressed but i can see what they are thinking . whats that then crobin??? if your doubting birds training ability then you miles out :feck: In english please or irish/p***y whatever you understad . Ummmmmmm if you didn't understand that you are a cretin as he misspelled nothing. You however . . . . . Are you a mental middle aged yank woman with crap dogs and weird kids? Quote Link to post
BIG ZOOK 5 Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 (edited) would use not say the dog comes of its prey when called upon,dosen,t have the hunger or the drive or the grit ? NO I`d say it was obeying a basic command .So we should all let DOG chase DOLLY the sheep,just because he fancies it?. Edited March 9, 2011 by BIG ZOOK Quote Link to post
BIG ZOOK 5 Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 How obedient are you lurchers and what crosses are they? will a 1/4 collie cross be smart enough to sit, lay down, stay, retrieve to hand and come when called? many thanks! can easily be done. 1/4 collie is a good place to start. not as sensitive as a half cross and a little more forgiving of mistakes. you may have to adapt your training methods from what you have had before, especially if its gundogs etc. as a true working lurcher needs to be able to think far more for itself at times. At the end of the day what you talk about is basic obedience and that should be the starting point for the training of any dog spot on regards 1/4 and 1x, 1/4 collie will be a good dog to learn with . Of all my dogs ive had, i would say my 3/8 bull 5/8 grey Tod , as been the easiest to train. He does all basics very easy, walks of lead with sheep, recall is spot on. Ok if he meets people+ dogs he likes to go play with them, well thats ok he is still a pup (7 1/2 months old) even though he is 25in 68lb lol. Colliexs are clever, but so are bullxs if you put the time in Tod +Bryn Impressed but i can see what they are thinking . whats that then crobin??? if your doubting birds training ability then you miles out :feck: In english please or irish/p***y whatever you understad . Ummmmmmm if you didn't understand that you are a cretin as he misspelled nothing. You however . . . . . Are you a mental middle aged yank woman with crap dogs and weird kids? WAY WAY off the mark kidda,please keep the post on topic or try to add your thoughts/comments to the mods. Quote Link to post
Ideation 8,217 Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 How obedient are you lurchers and what crosses are they? will a 1/4 collie cross be smart enough to sit, lay down, stay, retrieve to hand and come when called? many thanks! can easily be done. 1/4 collie is a good place to start. not as sensitive as a half cross and a little more forgiving of mistakes. you may have to adapt your training methods from what you have had before, especially if its gundogs etc. as a true working lurcher needs to be able to think far more for itself at times. At the end of the day what you talk about is basic obedience and that should be the starting point for the training of any dog spot on regards 1/4 and 1x, 1/4 collie will be a good dog to learn with . Of all my dogs ive had, i would say my 3/8 bull 5/8 grey Tod , as been the easiest to train. He does all basics very easy, walks of lead with sheep, recall is spot on. Ok if he meets people+ dogs he likes to go play with them, well thats ok he is still a pup (7 1/2 months old) even though he is 25in 68lb lol. Colliexs are clever, but so are bullxs if you put the time in Tod +Bryn Impressed but i can see what they are thinking . whats that then crobin??? if your doubting birds training ability then you miles out :feck: In english please or irish/p***y whatever you understad . Ummmmmmm if you didn't understand that you are a cretin as he misspelled nothing. You however . . . . . Are you a mental middle aged yank woman with crap dogs and weird kids? WAY WAY off the mark kidda,please keep the post on topic or try to add your thoughts/comments to the mods. Fairplay. So what dogs (breeding/age) do you have and could you do as mentioned (off game that they are close on running, maybe turned once, about to strike)? Quote Link to post
jimmy100 48 Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 How obedient are you lurchers and what crosses are they? will a 1/4 collie cross be smart enough to sit, lay down, stay, retrieve to hand and come when called? many thanks! can easily be done. 1/4 collie is a good place to start. not as sensitive as a half cross and a little more forgiving of mistakes. you may have to adapt your training methods from what you have had before, especially if its gundogs etc. as a true working lurcher needs to be able to think far more for itself at times. At the end of the day what you talk about is basic obedience and that should be the starting point for the training of any dog spot on regards 1/4 and 1x, 1/4 collie will be a good dog to learn with . Of all my dogs ive had, i would say my 3/8 bull 5/8 grey Tod , as been the easiest to train. He does all basics very easy, walks of lead with sheep, recall is spot on. Ok if he meets people+ dogs he likes to go play with them, well thats ok he is still a pup (7 1/2 months old) even though he is 25in 68lb lol. Colliexs are clever, but so are bullxs if you put the time in Tod +Bryn Impressed but i can see what they are thinking . whats that then crobin??? if your doubting birds training ability then you miles out :feck: In english please or irish/p***y whatever you understad . understad :laugh: fcuk off you daft anti hunting bitch :feck: Quote Link to post
Ideation 8,217 Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 would use not say the dog comes of its prey when called upon,dosen,t have the hunger or the drive or the grit ? NO I`d say it was obeying a basic command .So we should all let DOG chase DOLLY the sheep,just because he fancies it?. Now THAT is way off topic, stick breaking IS a basic command and stopping a dog chasing sheep is NO WAY in the same league as calling a dog of legitimate game, when most of the time you let it run and catch that game. Quote Link to post
mackay 3,580 Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 To my mind a high level of obedience is a must in a lurcher and I do mean lurcher not simply a dog that chases game, in fact the ability to control your dog can be the difference of a good dog and a great dog. That said however obedience isn't a great thing without fieldcraft or exposure to game and hunting in general and a well trained obedient dog won't automatically be a good pot filler if it looks to its owner all the time and doesn't think for itself. Years ago approximately 1992 I attended the lurcher field trials in Blairgowrie (I think) and watched nine dogs, three from Scotland, England and Wales each who had earned the right to be there by winning basic obedience trials and I personally wouldn't have paid for the feeding of any of them, their owners in my opinion had opted for obedience before hunting and fieldcraft. Obedience should compliment hunting not over ride it. 1 Quote Link to post
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