chris1wg 24 Posted December 7, 2010 Report Share Posted December 7, 2010 After reading the good reports off zini i am thinking about getting one, not only have it had good write ups i think it looks funky to i got a webley raider 10 in 177 butt im not sure what to get the ultra in 177, aw 22 what you guys think ????? Quote Link to post
hunter1989 91 Posted December 7, 2010 Report Share Posted December 7, 2010 hi buddy i just got a bsa ultra .22 tench regd is fantasic rifle buddy cant knock it,instead of me getting 40 full power shots i get 100 at 11.9 with aa field hope you buy and get on with her atb steve Quote Link to post
chris1wg 24 Posted December 7, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2010 hi buddy i just got a bsa ultra .22 tench regd is fantasic rifle buddy cant knock it,instead of me getting 40 full power shots i get 100 at 11.9 with aa field hope you buy and get on with her atb steve ye im def gonna get one mate im thinking 22 myself as i got a 177 at the mo iv heard alot about this tench reg how do i go about getting it done when i get one ?? Quote Link to post
zini 1,939 Posted December 7, 2010 Report Share Posted December 7, 2010 Hi Chris, Both calibres are very effective against vermin if the shot is placed in the kill zone (KZ) and both are very accurate and will outshoot you and anyone I know mate. My favourite calibre is .22 and I only got the .177 Ultra for a flatter parabolic trajectory at night when lamping and range estimation is harder. I was shooting about 4 months ago with Davy on his permission in Stanford and in the day I was doing really well bagging the bunnies until it got dark then I struggled with range estimation and was either missing over the top or under the bunnies chin. I think I ended up with only 1 from the dark hours shoot, but Davy was banging them out with his .177 AA S410 like there was no tomorrow. After looking at the Point Blank Range (PBR) of a 8 to 10 grain .177 pellet zeroed at 30 metres (32-ish yards) on ChairGun Pro I was amazed at how long the pellet stayed within a 2.5 cm KZ and the size of it PBR compared to a .22 15.98 grain pellet zeroed at 25 metres (27.2 yards). In layman’s terms with a .22 15.98 grain pellet, from a 25 m zero you are looking at a PBR something like from 8.4 metres to 28.3 metres max, while a .177 pellet zeroed from 30 metres has a PBR of something like 7.2 metres to 38.5 metres. This is night time shooting terms gives you an around 11 metres of extended range that could be your own range estimate error ensuring you a clean kill. So I would say that if you are wanting a night time combo then go for a .177 and it your after a day time combo with the occasional night time session thrown in then go for a .22 as I like the heavier lead and hit of a .22. This is just a personal thing though and has I have said, all calibres do the job. If you do get a Ultra though buddy I do recommend you eventually getting in Tench regulated. It will turn a great rifle into a fantastic rifle. Si Quote Link to post
zini 1,939 Posted December 7, 2010 Report Share Posted December 7, 2010 ye im def gonna get one mate im thinking 22 myself as i got a 177 at the mo iv heard alot about this tench reg how do i go about getting it done when i get one ?? Chris PM coming in in 2 mins buddy with all the info you require. Si Quote Link to post
chris1wg 24 Posted December 7, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2010 Hi Chris, Both calibres are very effective against vermin if the shot is placed in the kill zone (KZ) and both are very accurate and will outshoot you and anyone I know mate. My favourite calibre is .22 and I only got the .177 Ultra for a flatter parabolic trajectory at night when lamping and range estimation is harder. I was shooting about 4 months ago with Davy on his permission in Stanford and in the day I was doing really well bagging the bunnies until it got dark then I struggled with range estimation and was either missing over the top or under the bunnies chin. I think I ended up with only 1 from the dark hours shoot, but Davy was banging them out with his .177 AA S410 like there was no tomorrow. After looking at the Point Blank Range (PBR) of a 8 to 10 grain .177 pellet zeroed at 30 metres (32-ish yards) on ChairGun Pro I was amazed at how long the pellet stayed within a 2.5 cm KZ and the size of it PBR compared to a .22 15.98 grain pellet zeroed at 25 metres (27.2 yards). In layman’s terms with a .22 15.98 grain pellet, from a 25 m zero you are looking at a PBR something like from 8.4 metres to 28.3 metres max, while a .177 pellet zeroed from 30 metres has a PBR of something like 7.2 metres to 38.5 metres. This is night time shooting terms gives you an around 11 metres of extended range that could be your own range estimate error ensuring you a clean kill. So I would say that if you are wanting a night time combo then go for a .177 and it your after a day time combo with the occasional night time session thrown in then go for a .22 as I like the heavier lead and hit of a .22. This is just a personal thing though and has I have said, all calibres do the job. If you do get a Ultra though buddy I do recommend you eventually getting in Tench regulated. It will turn a great rifle into a fantastic rifle. Si iv always had 22 butt since i got the 177 raider i was amazed with the accurecy i do like the hit of a 22 mind butt most of my shooting is in day light with the oocasonal night like you said mostly crows and pidgoens i shot so 177 im really considering Quote Link to post
millsy44 72 Posted December 7, 2010 Report Share Posted December 7, 2010 I always had .22 when i was younger, then when i got the logun solo when they first came out i gave the .177 ago, never looked back since, except for now ive just got a bsa super10 and guess what......................its .22 lol like has been said, .177 better accuracy but more penetration than thhwack, but a good shooter will be able to dispatch their quarry with either, aslong as your upto the job, then id say it all comes down to preference, enjoy Quote Link to post
zini 1,939 Posted December 7, 2010 Report Share Posted December 7, 2010 (edited) Hi Chris PM should now be with you buddy. Yep like I said pal, both calibres will do the business, its just which one floats your boat. A .177 calibre rifle isn’t anymore accurate than a .22 buddy, it’s just a lot easier to shoot it and be more accurate with them in some situations. In other situations though, i.e. strong winds a .22 is a lot better as it doesn’t get knocked off course as much. A .22 pellet landing exactly on top of a .22 calibre pellet at 40 metres is just as accurate as a .177 pellet landing on top of a .177 pellet at 40 metres. Both my r10 and Ultra can achieve this accuracy when there is no wind and my shooting is up to it, which isn’t always I must admit. Got to be honest pal, since I got the .177 Ultra (which is supposed to be my night time combo) the poor old .22 r10 has been left in her gun safe. Not a accuracy thing though buddy, I just love this Tench tuned and regged Ultra something rotton. Si Edited December 7, 2010 by zini Quote Link to post
19powell90 89 Posted December 7, 2010 Report Share Posted December 7, 2010 Hi Chris PM should now be with you buddy. Yep like I said pal, both calibres will do the business, its just which one floats your boat. A .177 calibre rifle isn’t anymore accurate than a .22 buddy, it’s just a lot easier to shoot it and be more accurate with them in some situations. In other situations though, i.e. strong winds a .22 is a lot better as it doesn’t get knocked off course as much. A .22 pellet landing exactly on top of a .22 calibre pellet at 40 metres is just as accurate as a .177 pellet landing on top of a .177 pellet at 40 metres. Both my r10 and Ultra can achieve this accuracy when there is no wind and my shooting is up to it, which isn’t always I must admit. Got to be honest pal, since I got the .177 Ultra (which is supposed to be my night time combo) the poor old .22 r10 has been left in her gun safe. Not a accuracy thing though buddy, I just love this Tench tuned and regged Ultra something rotton. Si Hi si mate, I have been looking at getting a pcp in the new year and i am wanting advice on what to to get. I have £500-£600 to spend, i want a .177, what do you recommend? My options are bsa ultra, bsa r10, not sure which AA but want one with multishot, maybe if price is right a hw100k, i know you have shot some of these please could you recommend one. Quote Link to post
chris1wg 24 Posted December 7, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2010 Hi Chris PM should now be with you buddy. Yep like I said pal, both calibres will do the business, its just which one floats your boat. A .177 calibre rifle isn’t anymore accurate than a .22 buddy, it’s just a lot easier to shoot it and be more accurate with them in some situations. In other situations though, i.e. strong winds a .22 is a lot better as it doesn’t get knocked off course as much. A .22 pellet landing exactly on top of a .22 calibre pellet at 40 metres is just as accurate as a .177 pellet landing on top of a .177 pellet at 40 metres. Both my r10 and Ultra can achieve this accuracy when there is no wind and my shooting is up to it, which isn’t always I must admit. Got to be honest pal, since I got the .177 Ultra (which is supposed to be my night time combo) the poor old .22 r10 has been left in her gun safe. Not a accuracy thing though buddy, I just love this Tench tuned and regged Ultra something rotton. Si Hi si mate, I have been looking at getting a pcp in the new year and i am wanting advice on what to to get. I have £500-£600 to spend, i want a .177, what do you recommend? My options are bsa ultra, bsa r10, not sure which AA but want one with multishot, maybe if price is right a hw100k, i know you have shot some of these please could you recommend one. hi powel hi have had the aas410 couple yrs ago they are good rifles gutted i got rid of it, i got a webley raider 10 now they only 300 quid and i got no complaints about it they are a good rifle aswell. im gonna get the ultra next as iv heard alot of good about them Quote Link to post
19powell90 89 Posted December 7, 2010 Report Share Posted December 7, 2010 I think ive got my eye on an r10 coz i love the look of them, but heard alot of mixed reviews! Quote Link to post
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