Prey Drive

[Ideation 8,217]

Some dogs are naturally highly driven.Seen some weird examples in the past but thats one of the reasons my dads terrier could never be taken near livestock even out in the van he wants to go for the cows when your driving past fields.he gets really frustrated and wound up about it but thats a terrier for you in for a penny in for a pound.

:no: thats not a true terrier just a over hyped dog thats not been trained properly!!! a proper terriers knows his job and sticks to it not a liabilty like yours

 

 

He didn't say that was a 'true' terrier. In answering this question he was saying his terrier had a 'ridiculously high, perhaps too high prey drive'. I agree with you in principal but as neither of us have ever met the dog, it's a bit rich to be slating it and him. You have no idea of the training or lack of that went in. If what you are saying is right - any terrier that has ever attacked or killed another dog, or a cat, or a chicken etc is not a proper terrier.

SHE said "but thats a terrier for you in for a penny in for a pound" killing a cat/chicken is completely different to going mental in a car over cows in a field and attacking another dog can happen with some terriers but ill think you will find that most working terriers are not actually that bad its mainly shitty hyped up muppet dogs that want to fight all the time

 

Ah but you said 'a proper terrier knows his job and sticks to it' did you not? So why would they kill a cat or chicken? Thats not their job is it? Just saying 'thats not a true terrier' sounds retarded. 'Thats a badly trained terrier' might make sense. But the question was about prey drive and in this case perhaps the animals prey drive is such that the owner finds it hard to train? The question was about whether YOU found YOUR dog to have a prey drive that was too high in any way. The answer given is fitting for that question.

 

The 'in for a penny in for a pound' thing i took to mean that the dog doesnt like livestock and EVEN goes mental when in a van driving by.

[Ideation 8,217]

Some dogs are naturally highly driven.Seen some weird examples in the past but thats one of the reasons my dads terrier could never be taken near livestock even out in the van he wants to go for the cows when your driving past fields.he gets really frustrated and wound up about it but thats a terrier for you in for a penny in for a pound.

:no: thats not a true terrier just a over hyped dog thats not been trained properly!!! a proper terriers knows his job and sticks to it not a liabilty like yours

 

 

He didn't say that was a 'true' terrier. In answering this question he was saying his terrier had a 'ridiculously high, perhaps too high prey drive'. I agree with you in principal but as neither of us have ever met the dog, it's a bit rich to be slating it and him. You have no idea of the training or lack of that went in. If what you are saying is right - any terrier that has ever attacked or killed another dog, or a cat, or a chicken etc is not a proper terrier.

Got to disagree with you on that 1 mate and tend to side with stewie.....the terrier in question doesn't have a ridiculous prey drive it 100% hasn't been trained to a basic recall. Anybody that says (any type of dog by the way) the "dogs just mad" hasn't put the time into training it properly...

 

 

Not wanting an argument mate, but did he say 'dogs just mad' or mention the dogs recall ability? Question was about prey drive. Which he answered, his dogs prey drive in his opinion is very high. Possibly too high, that it affects its trainability. It is of course HIS personal opinion on HIS dog which none of us have ever met. Or have you met it to be saying it 'doesn't have ridiculous prey drive it 100% hasn't been trained to a basic recall'. All i was refuting with stewie i that a 'proper (what?)' terrier 'knows his job and sticks to it' which if you have spent much time around hard terriers you know to often be total bollocks.

 

P.S i DO believe that you can get dogs that 'are just mad' this does not mean that they cannot be trained, but it is often a lot harder and longer process, and often there will always be an edge of wildness and unpredictability. This is rarely if ever found in the hunting dog world outside of catch dogs. I.E Sighthound and Terriers.

No arguement mate it would be nice to have an actual debate on here for a change. Do you believe that an extremely high prey driven terrier cant be trained then and its something you just have to put up with? I'm a firm believer in any dog can be trained but not having or been around terriers i dont know for sure.

 

 

I believe that MOST of the time, no matter how high the prey drive an animal can be tempered to your will and trained. However i DO believe that some dogs are just pure hunters or killers, and although they MAY be under control, the desire to steam into everything is always lurking under the surface and i've seen it come out, especially when they are left to their own devices or given too much head. SOme dogs no matter the training always need more watching than others, they just cannot be trusted like you would another dog. I saw a litter of pups once (x shall remain nameless), they were little uns in a box. One pup had to be separated, because even at that age he just wanted to fight with all the others and it wasnt play. Perhaps any dog CAN be trained, but not by ANY man, and that doesn't necessarily mean that the person is a BAD trainer, but everyman meets his match at some point i think, even if they do eventually overcome it.

[sounder79 80]

Funny question .. . . . . but has anyone ever had a dog that had a ridiculously high prey drive? Perhaps too high?

how exactly do you measure prey drive?

[Casso 1,261]

Some dogs are naturally highly driven.Seen some weird examples in the past but thats one of the reasons my dads terrier could never be taken near livestock even out in the van he wants to go for the cows when your driving past fields.he gets really frustrated and wound up about it but thats a terrier for you in for a penny in for a pound.

:no: thats not a true terrier just a over hyped dog thats not been trained properly!!! a proper terriers knows his job and sticks to it not a liabilty like yours

 

 

argee 100%,, A high drive dog can be a real handfull with the wrong owner, but in the right hands can make a outstanding worker, The thing bout drive is, if you dont focus the dogs drive onto you first and what you want it to do, it will find its own outlet for it, and thats where people run into trouble,,A dog with drive is actually a lot easier to train and very responsive , Alot of lads spend hours trying to focus a pups drive on prey before themselves and wonder why the dog fucks off every time they go out,,The dog dont know where his drive needs to be chanelled, you've got to channel it for them,,If you can focus your high drive dog on you through tug play as a pup, your half way there in what ever you decide to do with the dog after,,,

[Lab 10,979]

Some dogs are naturally highly driven.Seen some weird examples in the past but thats one of the reasons my dads terrier could never be taken near livestock even out in the van he wants to go for the cows when your driving past fields.he gets really frustrated and wound up about it but thats a terrier for you in for a penny in for a pound.

:no: thats not a true terrier just a over hyped dog thats not been trained properly!!! a proper terriers knows his job and sticks to it not a liabilty like yours

 

 

He didn't say that was a 'true' terrier. In answering this question he was saying his terrier had a 'ridiculously high, perhaps too high prey drive'. I agree with you in principal but as neither of us have ever met the dog, it's a bit rich to be slating it and him. You have no idea of the training or lack of that went in. If what you are saying is right - any terrier that has ever attacked or killed another dog, or a cat, or a chicken etc is not a proper terrier.

Got to disagree with you on that 1 mate and tend to side with stewie.....the terrier in question doesn't have a ridiculous prey drive it 100% hasn't been trained to a basic recall. Anybody that says (any type of dog by the way) the "dogs just mad" hasn't put the time into training it properly...

 

 

Not wanting an argument mate, but did he say 'dogs just mad' or mention the dogs recall ability? Question was about prey drive. Which he answered, his dogs prey drive in his opinion is very high. Possibly too high, that it affects its trainability. It is of course HIS personal opinion on HIS dog which none of us have ever met. Or have you met it to be saying it 'doesn't have ridiculous prey drive it 100% hasn't been trained to a basic recall'. All i was refuting with stewie i that a 'proper (what?)' terrier 'knows his job and sticks to it' which if you have spent much time around hard terriers you know to often be total bollocks.

 

P.S i DO believe that you can get dogs that 'are just mad' this does not mean that they cannot be trained, but it is often a lot harder and longer process, and often there will always be an edge of wildness and unpredictability. This is rarely if ever found in the hunting dog world outside of catch dogs. I.E Sighthound and Terriers.

No arguement mate it would be nice to have an actual debate on here for a change. Do you believe that an extremely high prey driven terrier cant be trained then and its something you just have to put up with? I'm a firm believer in any dog can be trained but not having or been around terriers i dont know for sure.

 

 

I believe that MOST of the time, no matter how high the prey drive an animal can be tempered to your will and trained. However i DO believe that some dogs are just pure hunters or killers, and although they MAY be under control, the desire to steam into everything is always lurking under the surface and i've seen it come out, especially when they are left to their own devices or given too much head. SOme dogs no matter the training always need more watching than others, they just cannot be trusted like you would another dog. I saw a litter of pups once (x shall remain nameless), they were little uns in a box. One pup had to be separated, because even at that age he just wanted to fight with all the others and it wasnt play. Perhaps any dog CAN be trained, but not by ANY man, and that doesn't necessarily mean that the person is a BAD trainer, but everyman meets his match at some point i think, even if they do eventually overcome it.

Of course i agree that some dogs will have a higher natural killer instinct and in the wrong hands they can be a nuisance, we only have to open the papers to realise that. I still think 'any' dog can be trained to a standard where there temper can be controlled around livestock, some yes will be harder than others but it can be done.

I think basically what i'm saying if you dont have the knowledge to train one of the "higher prey dogs" then maybe its the wrong type of dog to be having in your kennel...

[Ideation 8,217]

This wasn't about good or bad trainers but peoples PERSONAL experiences where they BELIEVE that THEY have met a dog that had a very high prey drive or one that was too high.

[Ideation 8,217]

Some dogs are naturally highly driven.Seen some weird examples in the past but thats one of the reasons my dads terrier could never be taken near livestock even out in the van he wants to go for the cows when your driving past fields.he gets really frustrated and wound up about it but thats a terrier for you in for a penny in for a pound.

:no: thats not a true terrier just a over hyped dog thats not been trained properly!!! a proper terriers knows his job and sticks to it not a liabilty like yours

 

 

He didn't say that was a 'true' terrier. In answering this question he was saying his terrier had a 'ridiculously high, perhaps too high prey drive'. I agree with you in principal but as neither of us have ever met the dog, it's a bit rich to be slating it and him. You have no idea of the training or lack of that went in. If what you are saying is right - any terrier that has ever attacked or killed another dog, or a cat, or a chicken etc is not a proper terrier.

Got to disagree with you on that 1 mate and tend to side with stewie.....the terrier in question doesn't have a ridiculous prey drive it 100% hasn't been trained to a basic recall. Anybody that says (any type of dog by the way) the "dogs just mad" hasn't put the time into training it properly...

 

 

Not wanting an argument mate, but did he say 'dogs just mad' or mention the dogs recall ability? Question was about prey drive. Which he answered, his dogs prey drive in his opinion is very high. Possibly too high, that it affects its trainability. It is of course HIS personal opinion on HIS dog which none of us have ever met. Or have you met it to be saying it 'doesn't have ridiculous prey drive it 100% hasn't been trained to a basic recall'. All i was refuting with stewie i that a 'proper (what?)' terrier 'knows his job and sticks to it' which if you have spent much time around hard terriers you know to often be total bollocks.

 

P.S i DO believe that you can get dogs that 'are just mad' this does not mean that they cannot be trained, but it is often a lot harder and longer process, and often there will always be an edge of wildness and unpredictability. This is rarely if ever found in the hunting dog world outside of catch dogs. I.E Sighthound and Terriers.

No arguement mate it would be nice to have an actual debate on here for a change. Do you believe that an extremely high prey driven terrier cant be trained then and its something you just have to put up with? I'm a firm believer in any dog can be trained but not having or been around terriers i dont know for sure.

 

 

I believe that MOST of the time, no matter how high the prey drive an animal can be tempered to your will and trained. However i DO believe that some dogs are just pure hunters or killers, and although they MAY be under control, the desire to steam into everything is always lurking under the surface and i've seen it come out, especially when they are left to their own devices or given too much head. SOme dogs no matter the training always need more watching than others, they just cannot be trusted like you would another dog. I saw a litter of pups once (x shall remain nameless), they were little uns in a box. One pup had to be separated, because even at that age he just wanted to fight with all the others and it wasnt play. Perhaps any dog CAN be trained, but not by ANY man, and that doesn't necessarily mean that the person is a BAD trainer, but everyman meets his match at some point i think, even if they do eventually overcome it.

Of course i agree that some dogs will have a higher natural killer instinct and in the wrong hands they can be a nuisance, we only have to open the papers to realise that. I still think 'any' dog can be trained to a standard where there temper can be controlled around livestock, some yes will be harder than others but it can be done.

I think basically what i'm saying if you dont have the knowledge to train one of the "higher prey dogs" then maybe its the wrong type of dog to be having in your kennel...

 

 

Fair point - i wasn't actually thinking of stock breaking when i initially posted - but the kind of dog that ends up hurting itself etc because it has such a high drive it will discount everything and anything in getting to its prey. I was thinking about running dogs, hence the section choice.

[Lab 10,979]

Some dogs are naturally highly driven.Seen some weird examples in the past but thats one of the reasons my dads terrier could never be taken near livestock even out in the van he wants to go for the cows when your driving past fields.he gets really frustrated and wound up about it but thats a terrier for you in for a penny in for a pound.

:no: thats not a true terrier just a over hyped dog thats not been trained properly!!! a proper terriers knows his job and sticks to it not a liabilty like yours

 

 

He didn't say that was a 'true' terrier. In answering this question he was saying his terrier had a 'ridiculously high, perhaps too high prey drive'. I agree with you in principal but as neither of us have ever met the dog, it's a bit rich to be slating it and him. You have no idea of the training or lack of that went in. If what you are saying is right - any terrier that has ever attacked or killed another dog, or a cat, or a chicken etc is not a proper terrier.

Got to disagree with you on that 1 mate and tend to side with stewie.....the terrier in question doesn't have a ridiculous prey drive it 100% hasn't been trained to a basic recall. Anybody that says (any type of dog by the way) the "dogs just mad" hasn't put the time into training it properly...

 

 

Not wanting an argument mate, but did he say 'dogs just mad' or mention the dogs recall ability? Question was about prey drive. Which he answered, his dogs prey drive in his opinion is very high. Possibly too high, that it affects its trainability. It is of course HIS personal opinion on HIS dog which none of us have ever met. Or have you met it to be saying it 'doesn't have ridiculous prey drive it 100% hasn't been trained to a basic recall'. All i was refuting with stewie i that a 'proper (what?)' terrier 'knows his job and sticks to it' which if you have spent much time around hard terriers you know to often be total bollocks.

 

P.S i DO believe that you can get dogs that 'are just mad' this does not mean that they cannot be trained, but it is often a lot harder and longer process, and often there will always be an edge of wildness and unpredictability. This is rarely if ever found in the hunting dog world outside of catch dogs. I.E Sighthound and Terriers.

No arguement mate it would be nice to have an actual debate on here for a change. Do you believe that an extremely high prey driven terrier cant be trained then and its something you just have to put up with? I'm a firm believer in any dog can be trained but not having or been around terriers i dont know for sure.

 

 

I believe that MOST of the time, no matter how high the prey drive an animal can be tempered to your will and trained. However i DO believe that some dogs are just pure hunters or killers, and although they MAY be under control, the desire to steam into everything is always lurking under the surface and i've seen it come out, especially when they are left to their own devices or given too much head. SOme dogs no matter the training always need more watching than others, they just cannot be trusted like you would another dog. I saw a litter of pups once (x shall remain nameless), they were little uns in a box. One pup had to be separated, because even at that age he just wanted to fight with all the others and it wasnt play. Perhaps any dog CAN be trained, but not by ANY man, and that doesn't necessarily mean that the person is a BAD trainer, but everyman meets his match at some point i think, even if they do eventually overcome it.

Of course i agree that some dogs will have a higher natural killer instinct and in the wrong hands they can be a nuisance, we only have to open the papers to realise that. I still think 'any' dog can be trained to a standard where there temper can be controlled around livestock, some yes will be harder than others but it can be done.

I think basically what i'm saying if you dont have the knowledge to train one of the "higher prey dogs" then maybe its the wrong type of dog to be having in your kennel...

 

 

Fair point - i wasn't actually thinking of stock breaking when i initially posted - but the kind of dog that ends up hurting itself etc because it has such a high drive it will discount everything and anything in getting to its prey. I was thinking about running dogs, hence the section choice.

Oops never noticed it was this section.... , got caught up with the terrier post.

Al just do a Duncan Bannatyne now...........i'm out!!!

[Ideation 8,217]

Thank you mate for getting it back on track.

 

 

I got a pup here that is going that way since he discovered the existence of game, he's single minded and the most driven dog i have ever met. Already i fear we are not for old bones with this one. Which is a shame because in all other aspects he is becoming a star.

[matty73 4]

my youngest bitch is border line shes reckless fearless stops for nothing once shes on something thats why shes injured AGAIN one of these nights its gonna be lights out if shes not careful if i only had the one dog it would be short season as it would prob be injured more than it ran its bit like too game a terrier it just ends up smashed up or dead and you would get less digs as dog is injured more than a nip n bay type but is that drive or lack of brains

shes hard work at times a proper handful almost possessed but very handy dog when shes not injured

[Cold Ethyl 63]

Hes not my terrier my own terrier is a diamond shes an old lady and even though she hates cats she lives with my two and has accepted over the short while i have had her that theyre not allowed.Outside is a differant matter she will chase them outdoors if she gets half a chance after a kitten was handed in she clearly wants torattle it she hates the little thing but theyre not allowed my lurcher will chase cats outdoors again if she gets the chance but if they stop she walks away.She has been round cats for a long time though and is very eager to please and hangs on my every word.My dads terrier was put inot a rescue and rehomed 3 or 4 times and came back everytime no doubt cos he Craps on beds and pees the house etc and has a little bit of an attitude problem but theyre working on it.Things is nothing bothers him tried putting him out the back door when he crapped and he lay there not bothereing with his paws crossed as if he had not a care i the world.Im sure with time they will get him there in the end they are determined hes going nowhere im not surprised hes the way he is being passed about so much in the past.

[TOM TERRIER 173]

Funny question .. . . . . but has anyone ever had a dog that had a ridiculously high prey drive? Perhaps too high?

Yes... RIP Ginner. Great dog, realy miss him, Have a pup out of the same lines who is only very young, but looks like he has the minerals!

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i think what prey drive is depends on the owners own interpretation, for example i have a dog that will smash through any hedge to get her game but she wont be bitten so to me she doesnt have a very high prey drive. the same as saluki crosses that are running hares, they run half heartedly for hours now to me that looks like a lack of prey drive

[Ideation 8,217]

i think what prey drive is depends on the owners own interpretation, for example i have a dog that will smash through any hedge to get her game but she wont be bitten so to me she doesnt have a very high prey drive. the same as saluki crosses that are running hares, they run half heartedly for hours now to me that looks like a lack of prey drive

 

 

I'm talking about the kind of dog that smashes straight through a plate glass window to get at something crossing the garden.

[adamb20 22]

Think saluki/coursing dogs hav the highest prey drive, my 12m old pup i have atm has had a v high prey drive from a v younge age. Soon as the lead is on he knows [bANNED TEXT] he wants, he's more game than any dog i hav saw run. can't realy hav to high ov a drive untill it cums to stock training.

 

my mates saluki cross has got a very high prey drive, the highest ive seen, even more than my other mates bull cross i would say.