TOMO 28,427 Posted August 28, 2010 Report Share Posted August 28, 2010 all my dogs have got over 30 apart from the one in the avatar, and that was cos she never went up the dales, and was used daytime for hares. and ile stick my neck out and say this pup will get the 30 befor xmas but as wild rover said its all about the amount of game on the ground, and lets not forget the OWNER and how keen thay are, as you know im still keen on getting big bags. Quote Link to post
Trigger 26 Posted August 28, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2010 all my dogs have got over 30 apart from the one in the avatar, and that was cos she never went up the dales, and was used daytime for hares. and ile stick my neck out and say this pup will get the 30 befor xmas but as wild rover said its all about the amount of game on the ground, and lets not forget the OWNER and how keen thay are, as you know im still keen on getting big bags. is there any breed of dog you like to have in your lurchers tomo? i prefer a alsation in my dogs. Quote Link to post
donkdaniel 236 Posted August 28, 2010 Report Share Posted August 28, 2010 Loads to consider here lads where is a good starting point if you've got nice tight hedges it's a lot easier that doesn't make a good dog does it are the rabbits giving the dogs a chance ie are thay unlamped short slips or are thay long slips that take alot out of the dogs a dog that has had s lot of long slips ain't going to catch all night no matter how fit how many rabbits have you got on your land probably the biggest factor if thay ain't there you won't catch them hills or flat ground? Conditins? It goes on and on I think sometimes we miss the point of the sport were involved i'n it's not numbers guys it's the way i'n which that are caught if this wasn't the case we would all go out and buy a gun wouldn't we although I don't diss them that have their place to I should now o have 1 lol enjoy what you do the competition is with your dog and it's quarry not sad human egos take care and enjoy what were all about 1 Quote Link to post
Malt 379 Posted August 28, 2010 Report Share Posted August 28, 2010 i had a thought about this the other day. what ever amounts of kills a day time coursing dog gets x that by 5 for a lamping lurcher and youd have a similar standard in each chosen disciplene. 1 hare in day or 5 rabbits in a night average/poor dog 2 hare/ 10 rabbits average/good 3 hare/ 15 rabbits good dog 4 hare/ 20 rabbits very good dog 5 hare/ 25 rabbit excptional dog 6 hare/ 30 rabbis real toppers and so on. it was only a thault and a bit of fun but it seems to convert fairlie well in my expereince. what you think ? Sounds good in theory, but as others have said there are other considerations to take into account.. Type of land, frequency the land gets visited by others, etc. Going by your list, any dog you take onto some of the land I've been on over the last three years would be classed as an average/poor dog. I also think the man on the lamp has a fairly big input as to what the dog does... Quote Link to post
Catcher 1 639 Posted August 28, 2010 Report Share Posted August 28, 2010 Never been a big lamper loved day time hares.EOTHO.Undisputed had a few that could do the biss.Pretty sure Meg and Sally did 30 +. Quote Link to post
romany52 313 Posted August 28, 2010 Report Share Posted August 28, 2010 I had a dog take 47 one night,a lot of them were out of the seat. Same dog on another memorable night took none, the only rabbit run, ran into a pole and killed itself. The best dog in the world can't catch rabbits that aren't there ! 2 Quote Link to post
charlie boy 85 Posted August 28, 2010 Report Share Posted August 28, 2010 I think alot more rabbits get caught in fields where there is sheep wire fences where rabbit bounces off the wire in a dark night. Rabbits that live in hedges are lot harder your dog as be on from till cacth big numbers because yea dont really get second chace with them,IMOA agree 100% mate , bring some of these dogs that run sheep netted fields and stone walls up on the dales dogs that do 30-40-50 would struggle to get 15on my land guarantteed where the hedges and huge thick with cover 1 Quote Link to post
TOMO 28,427 Posted August 28, 2010 Report Share Posted August 28, 2010 I think alot more rabbits get caught in fields where there is sheep wire fences where rabbit bounces off the wire in a dark night. Rabbits that live in hedges are lot harder your dog as be on from till cacth big numbers because yea dont really get second chace with them,IMOA agree 100% mate , bring some of these dogs that run sheep netted fields and stone walls up on the dales dogs that do 30-40-50 would struggle to get 15on my land guarantteed where the hedges and huge thick with cover of course:thumbs: its the land thats the major contributar to the big bag, but just cos i do a fair bit up the dales dont mean i dont do low land lamping, any body that lamps winter seed , with thin hedges know how hard they can be to catch, i live in the east mids and all the land round me is like this, in fact this is why i like a fast dog with a good mouth, and one thats not afraid to get under the hedge or cover as the rabbit bolts for home, to answer triggers question, about breeds in a lurcher im not that fussed, so long as it does the job, i do like the old bits types and thats what most of mine have been, Quote Link to post
Tiny 7 1,694 Posted August 28, 2010 Report Share Posted August 28, 2010 The numbers should come in to it really, Its all about whats there id rather have a dog that was catch 10 rabbits out say 11 or 12 to a dog thats catching 30 out f say 60/70 like iam trying to say its better a dog thats good at catch to runs ratio, I think most fit lurchers that know the score could kill 20/30 easy on the right ground with plenty of quarry, the right night and a man that knows how to use the lamp IMHO, PS yes fences/longer grass/stubble/REAL green rabbits that anit see a lamp.all makea BIG BIG diffrence 100% Quote Link to post
suffolkpoacher 219 Posted August 28, 2010 Report Share Posted August 28, 2010 I think alot more rabbits get caught in fields where there is sheep wire fences where rabbit bounces off the wire in a dark night. Rabbits that live in hedges are lot harder your dog as be on from till cacth big numbers because yea dont really get second chace with them,IMOA agree 100% mate , bring some of these dogs that run sheep netted fields and stone walls up on the dales dogs that do 30-40-50 would struggle to get 15on my land guarantteed where the hedges and huge thick with cover total agree with you where we run the rabbits dont hang about hit the hedges at speed,and you might get 30 on a rough night and real good dog not many bounce of fences and no walls round here.but think if a dog done that number round here could do serious numbers in the right place ,just my opinion.cheers Quote Link to post
romany52 313 Posted August 28, 2010 Report Share Posted August 28, 2010 The 47 I referred to earlier, was also notable in that the bitch only missed the 10th rabbit on it's way to the first 15. It's as much about the ground and weather conditions though, any good lamper will do well when everything falls into place on the same night. Mike. Quote Link to post
Romany 1,065 Posted August 28, 2010 Report Share Posted August 28, 2010 30 rabbits is a canny number of rabbits, and would take some doing anywhere, aint seen many of what I would class as average lurchers take 30 in one night, and never seen an average lurcher catch 30 consistantly over whatever period of time..unless you have a good dog, and as its already been pointed out, a place that supports large numbers of rabbits, stick to a bit mooch and one for the pot Quote Link to post
Guest hunterside Posted August 28, 2010 Report Share Posted August 28, 2010 i would be lucky if i had 30+ rabbits where i go and and summer hunters and airgunners dont help matters. Quote Link to post
Born Hunter 17,909 Posted August 28, 2010 Report Share Posted August 28, 2010 I think alot more rabbits get caught in fields where there is sheep wire fences where rabbit bounces off the wire in a dark night. Rabbits that live in hedges are lot harder your dog as be on from till cacth big numbers because yea dont really get second chace with them,IMOA agree 100% mate , bring some of these dogs that run sheep netted fields and stone walls up on the dales dogs that do 30-40-50 would struggle to get 15on my land guarantteed where the hedges and huge thick with cover of course:thumbs: its the land thats the major contributar to the big bag, but just cos i do a fair bit up the dales dont mean i dont do low land lamping, any body that lamps winter seed , with thin hedges know how hard they can be to catch, i live in the east mids and all the land round me is like this, in fact this is why i like a fast dog with a good mouth, and one thats not afraid to get under the hedge or cover as the rabbit bolts for home, to answer triggers question, about breeds in a lurcher im not that fussed, so long as it does the job, i do like the old bits types and thats what most of mine have been, exactly the same round here, the rabbits that have seen a lurcher before are rocket propelled. I would like to see a dog kill 30+ on land like this, be few and far between. Quote Link to post
BIG_SLIM 17 Posted August 28, 2010 Report Share Posted August 28, 2010 30 rabbits the equivalent to 6 daytime hares what about the dogs doing 50 rabbits is that the same as a dog doing 10 daytime hares Im not even interested in rabbits or hares but i bet there is more dogs about doing 30 rabbits a night than 6 daytime hares. Quote Link to post
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