Humane killer

[Guest busterdog]

I've just had the Firearms chap around to look at my pistol and he's seized it becuase it's got a detachable mag, his reasoning for this was that I could change the mag for a ten shot or tamper with the mag to allow more than the stated amount of rounds to be held. I have never tampered with the mag or bought any other mags, it's just a two shot .22 pistol used in hunt service.

Any help or guide lines would be appreciated.

 

Just to be clear it's just the detachable mag he had issues with

 

 

[Urban Fox Control London 8]

I have a .22lr Smith & Wesson Revolver to dispatch foxes in traps. My Firearms Certificate only allows it to be used in this application. It is only a one shot as the revolving barrel has been modified only to hold one round. This is held on a Section 5 'open' ticket. My pistol has not got a fitted sound moderator although my FEO has said that if I need one, I could have one.

 

The Cheif Constables comments are:

 

"The .22RF Single Shot Pistol and ammunition to which this certificate relates shall be used only in connection with the humane killing of foxes during the course of the holders duties as Pest Controller".

 

"The .22RF Rifle and the ammunition to which the certificate relates shall be used for pest and fox control and for zeroing on ranges or land over which the holder has permission to shoot with that class of firearm from the person by whom the shooting rights are owned or from whom they may be leased or otherwise obtained".

 

This may boil down to a postcode lottery and what the Chief Constable's stance on firearm ownership is, and whether he/she go shooting themselves.

 

I am thinking about selling the S&W back to my Gunsmith, as I am more in favour of using my .22lr 10/22 Ruger with sound moderator (also on an 'open' ticket)as it is so, so quiet and much more discreet.

 

Once I cover the trap with a taurpaline to maximize discression, the only noise heard is the bolt returning on the rifle.

 

Having used both firearm for dispatching, I don't think I will ever use the pistol again.

Edited February 2, 2010 by Urban Fox Control London

[stubby 175]

when I was looking into humane dispatch, this was the main reason for the shotgun route, rather than FAC, seemed alot easier to get a SGC and purchase a single shot 410 hushpower for the job, my FAO was in agreement that it would do the job sufficiently,

having used it a number of times, with 2 1/2" subsonics it does the job perfectly,

also as it can be folded in half, its much more discreet when carried into a homeowners property (bagged) as for noise, it is hardly noticable, my last fox job, a lady was hanging washing two gardens away, she never bated an eyelid

[waidmann 105]

surely then most semi auto shotguns must be siezed( non fac) as some can also be "altered" to accomodate more carts?

can the gunsmith not fix the magazine or would that cause problems loading?

[Guest busterdog]

Spoke to the FEO and he said that under no circumstance would he be returning the pistol. From what he said its just the fact that the magazine could be tampered with allowing more than the agreed two shot. Surley he's making the assumption that I will be using my pistol illegally there for I shouldn't have one.

[Guest busterdog]

surely then most semi auto shotguns must be siezed( non fac) as some can also be "altered" to accomodate more carts?

can the gunsmith not fix the magazine or would that cause problems loading?

 

 

Then only way I could keep ( i think ) is if the magazine was welded in so as not to allow another mag to be fitted. This would make loading and cleaning very awkward.

[Urban Fox Control London 8]

When I first put my application in for the pistol,my FEO took a 6 page written statement of me as he said from the statrt that his boss would refuse the application; however, he didn't and I got what I felt would be necessary for carry out my work with in a safe and secure fashion.

 

Surely Busterdog, the FEO that originally authorised your 2 shot dispatching pistol with The Chief Constables backing at the time ought to review your particular case, especially if you have a genuine need to possess such a Section 5 firearm.

Edited February 2, 2010 by Urban Fox Control London

[danw 1,748]

I am surprised he seized the gun if you have a 2 shot magazine for the gun then you are acting lawfully what he has done is assume that you will break your certificate conditions and by doing so break the law it would be similar to the police issuing a ticket for speeding before you got in the car.

I guess I am lucky I was granted a s&w .357 mag revolver 6 shot and a walther p22 10 shot .22 semiauto pistol I have never had any questions with regard to capacity.

 

Best I can suggest is to phone the basc and ask for some help

[Squirrel_Basher 17,102]

When I first put my application in for the pistol,my FEO took a 6 page written statement of me as he said from the statrt that his boss would refuse the application; however, he didn't and I got what I felt would be necessary for carry out my work with in a safe and secure fashion.

 

Surely Busterdog, the FEO that originally authorised your 2 shot dispatching pistol with The Chief Constables backing at the time ought to review your particular case, especially if you have a genuine need to possess such a Section 5 firearm.

 

Exactly mate ,if it was issued in that state and was checked ,them it stands lawful now and you should appeal .

[danw 1,748]

I have a .22lr Smith & Wesson Revolver to dispatch foxes in traps. My Firearms Certificate only allows it to be used in this application. It is only a one shot as the revolving barrel has been modified only to hold one round. This is held on a Section 5 'open' ticket. My pistol has not got a fitted sound moderator although my FEO has said that if I need one, I could have one.

 

The Cheif Constables comments are:

 

"The .22RF Single Shot Pistol and ammunition to which this certificate relates shall be used only in connection with the humane killing of foxes during the course of the holders duties as Pest Controller".

 

"The .22RF Rifle and the ammunition to which the certificate relates shall be used for pest and fox control and for zeroing on ranges or land over which the holder has permission to shoot with that class of firearm from the person by whom the shooting rights are owned or from whom they may be leased or otherwise obtained".

 

This may boil down to a postcode lottery and what the Chief Constable's stance on firearm ownership is, and whether he/she go shooting themselves.

 

I am thinking about selling the S&W back to my Gunsmith, as I am more in favour of using my .22lr 10/22 Ruger with sound moderator (also on an 'open' ticket)as it is so, so quiet and much more discreet.

 

Once I cover the trap with a taurpaline to maximize discression, the only noise heard is the bolt returning on the rifle.

 

Having used both firearm for dispatching, I don't think I will ever use the pistol again.

 

 

The reason I got a .22 pistol is because the police refused to add humane dispatch to my .22 rifle they advised me to get another pistol.I was told home office guidelines do not permit humane dispatch as a condition on a rifle

[JonathanL 4]

I've just had the Firearms chap around to look at my pistol and he's seized it becuase it's got a detachable mag, his reasoning for this was that I could change the mag for a ten shot or tamper with the mag to allow more than the stated amount of rounds to be held. I have never tampered with the mag or bought any other mags, it's just a two shot .22 pistol used in hunt service.

Any help or guide lines would be appreciated.

 

Just to be clear it's just the detachable mag he had issues with

 

Makes no odds. He's wrong. The law says nothing about magazine capacities for pistols used for humane dispatch. The condition on your cert may well restrict you to using it with a restricted mag but that's irrelevant too as you only break the law if you breach the condition.

 

Demand it back - today!

 

J.

[JonathanL 4]

Spoke to the FEO and he said that under no circumstance would he be returning the pistol. From what he said its just the fact that the magazine could be tampered with allowing more than the agreed two shot. Surley he's making the assumption that I will be using my pistol illegally there for I shouldn't have one.

 

You have to pursue this, quite frankly. He is making the law up as he goes along and the state cannot be allowed to walk over people whenever it feels like it.

 

If there were the slightest suspicion that you were breaking the law then you would be in a cell right now. The fact that you aren't speaks volumes.

 

Honestly, tomnorrow should be solicitors letter - court by next week.

 

J.

[JonathanL 4]

I have a .22lr Smith & Wesson Revolver to dispatch foxes in traps. My Firearms Certificate only allows it to be used in this application. It is only a one shot as the revolving barrel has been modified only to hold one round. This is held on a Section 5 'open' ticket. My pistol has not got a fitted sound moderator although my FEO has said that if I need one, I could have one.

 

The Cheif Constables comments are:

 

"The .22RF Single Shot Pistol and ammunition to which this certificate relates shall be used only in connection with the humane killing of foxes during the course of the holders duties as Pest Controller".

 

"The .22RF Rifle and the ammunition to which the certificate relates shall be used for pest and fox control and for zeroing on ranges or land over which the holder has permission to shoot with that class of firearm from the person by whom the shooting rights are owned or from whom they may be leased or otherwise obtained".

 

This may boil down to a postcode lottery and what the Chief Constable's stance on firearm ownership is, and whether he/she go shooting themselves.

 

I am thinking about selling the S&W back to my Gunsmith, as I am more in favour of using my .22lr 10/22 Ruger with sound moderator (also on an 'open' ticket)as it is so, so quiet and much more discreet.

 

Once I cover the trap with a taurpaline to maximize discression, the only noise heard is the bolt returning on the rifle.

 

Having used both firearm for dispatching, I don't think I will ever use the pistol again.

 

 

The reason I got a .22 pistol is because the police refused to add humane dispatch to my .22 rifle they advised me to get another pistol.I was told home office guidelines do not permit humane dispatch as a condition on a rifle

 

I do wonder where on earth the police get this rubbish from sometimes. If that statement was correct then you couldn't kill a wounded deer with the rifle you'd just wounded it with!!!

 

J.

[Guest busterdog]

I've just had the Firearms chap around to look at my pistol and he's seized it becuase it's got a detachable mag, his reasoning for this was that I could change the mag for a ten shot or tamper with the mag to allow more than the stated amount of rounds to be held. I have never tampered with the mag or bought any other mags, it's just a two shot .22 pistol used in hunt service.

Any help or guide lines would be appreciated.

 

Just to be clear it's just the detachable mag he had issues with

 

Makes no odds. He's wrong. The law says nothing about magazine capacities for pistols used for humane dispatch. The condition on your cert may well restrict you to using it with a restricted mag but that's irrelevant too as you only break the law if you breach the condition.

 

Demand it back - today!

 

J.

 

I've already tried it and was met with a stoney "NO"

 

I have asked the FEO to put into writing his objections to me having this pistol and I'll see where it goes from there. I have also spoken to the dealer who sold me the pistol and he said that the FEO had no wright to seize and he will help in any way possible or offer a refund.

 

The FEO that took the pistol was the FEO who granted it, he was never much for it and only agreed after two atempts and several letters from MFH's, it just seems to me as he's got a bee in his bonet.

[JonathanL 4]

I've just had the Firearms chap around to look at my pistol and he's seized it becuase it's got a detachable mag, his reasoning for this was that I could change the mag for a ten shot or tamper with the mag to allow more than the stated amount of rounds to be held. I have never tampered with the mag or bought any other mags, it's just a two shot .22 pistol used in hunt service.

Any help or guide lines would be appreciated.

 

Just to be clear it's just the detachable mag he had issues with

 

Makes no odds. He's wrong. The law says nothing about magazine capacities for pistols used for humane dispatch. The condition on your cert may well restrict you to using it with a restricted mag but that's irrelevant too as you only break the law if you breach the condition.

 

Demand it back - today!

 

J.

 

I've already tried it and was met with a stoney "NO"

 

I have asked the FEO to put into writing his objections to me having this pistol and I'll see where it goes from there. I have also spoken to the dealer who sold me the pistol and he said that the FEO had no wright to seize and he will help in any way possible or offer a refund.

 

The FEO that took the pistol was the FEO who granted it, he was never much for it and only agreed after two atempts and several letters from MFH's, it just seems to me as he's got a bee in his bonet.

 

Walk into your nearest nick - with your solicitor - and report the FEO for theft.

 

J.