Hunting Ban

[miniwizard 0]

Yet more 'anti' myths on a hunting forum

 

Hunting is classless. My wife saves up all year to have a couple of days out with the hounds. She does cleaning jobs to pay to keep her horse, and most of her kit is secondhand.

 

The majority of followers are on foot, or in a car, and come from all walks of life. Most of them earn less than the average builder, and yet still, the old nonsense about it being the sport of 'toffs' continues.

 

Yes, there are some very exclusive packs, that cost a pretty penny to subscribe to; but for every one of them, there are at least 10 packs run on a shoestring by 'working class' (if there is still such a thing) people.

 

There is no doubt that the Hunting act was driven by class hatred, by people who refused to even consider that they could be wrong. It was the result of a concerted effort by our opponents to convince people that hunting was the sport of a rich minority.

 

As for Lurcher and Terrier work, it was defended by the CA and others, but the main effort was to save the houndsports because that was the main target.

 

 

 

If anyone truly believes that hunting with hounds is the preserve of the rich, I suggest they have a day out with a small pack, and then try and have a day out at your local golf club. I know which sport would make you feel more welcome...........

 

Hunting is class less! mate thats a crock! if it was classless it would be free like lamping or ferreting or poaching thats classless! not saveing up all year for a couple of trips out and extra jobs for secondhand gear! dont get me wrong each to their own! abd yes most of the followers are on foot or in cars but they are only the spectators! fans if you like of the real hunters! lol. in their scarlet coats and so very obviously saved up for from their odd jobs or put away a bit out of their benifit hunt ponies!! dont make me laugh! the hunt is the preserve of the rich and connected! sure they have terrier men and packmasters to look after the hounds but most of these are employed by the hunt! hired help getting a wage from the hunt to do what a lot of us would do for free! not knocking you mate or your missus but to say hunting is classless is a joke

 

with respect

jonny

 

Lamping and poaching are not free. Someone always pays one way or another. Poaching is illegal not classless.

 

All followers are spectators. The 'real hunters' as you call them; who wear red coats, are usually hunt staff, who are usually paid the 'unskilled' agricultural rate.

 

Hunts are owned and run by committees. Committees are made up of people with an interest in hunting, and who come from all walks of life.

 

If lurcherwork is not returned to us, it will be people like you who are partly to blame. You glamorise illegal poaching and perpetuate the myth that all hunters are just toffs in 'scarlet' coats.

 

Now that we have the hunting act, there seems to be far more people running amok in the countryside who don't give a damn about the law, peoples property, or the game they 'hunt'. Most of the local farmers here won't let anyone with a lurcher near their land, not because of the hunting act; or because they don't like lurchers, but because they are fed up with the lawlessness that seems to be rife at the moment. Gates left open, stock worried or killed, crops driven over, and local people intimidated. It's like the fecking wild west around here these days.

 

Poaching has always happened, and always been accepted. The latest craze is to glamorise it, and compete to see who can be most blatant about what they do.

 

About 25 years ago, I sat in a pub with a real old countryman listening to some dickhead telling the whole bar how many deer he had caught off the local estate the previous night. My wise old companion turned to me and quietly said, "there's them that talk about it, and there's them that do it". The internet seems to have just created more opportunity for these tiny penis wielding idiots to brag about their pillage of the british countryside, and still they moan about the 'toffs'.

you are so right

[Strong Stuff 2,171]

I've experienced "classless" hunting first hand.

 

Have been out a couple of times with a local (ish) footpack, and couldn't have felt more welcome.

 

Just normal lads with normal jobs (and 1 or 2 without jobs).

 

The bloke that runs the hunt is as down to earth as you could possibly imagine.

 

Proper days with proper fellas, just wish I didn't have to work the nights either side of their hunting days, I'd be out a lot more with them.

[Catcher 1 639]

i agree hunting with hounds on horse back will be ok as for blokes with terriers/lurchers will still be illeagal

 

Taken from the we don't stand together thread:

 

If the hunting ban is repealed in England and Wales? mark my words "it will only be to the benefit of organised packs and the MFHA!! it will not be repealed in favour of Lurcher or Terrier work and it will be licensed?"

 

I'm not spreading or advocating any type of division here only stating the obvious?? and we will be asked by the powers that be (countryside alliance) for our support again? I'm not giving it if its to the detriment of the ordinary lads and not for the benefit of everyone who hunts with dogs

 

Tom

 

Ps: If the tories get in Westminster it will have no effect regarding hunting in Scotland, we have different legislation here, its a devolved matter

 

 

Hi Tom. Agree I dont thing we will ever see a hare being coursed on the field again.Well not with in the law.atb. Catcher

[WILF 49,874]

Hunting is class less! mate thats a crock! if it was classless it would be free like lamping or ferreting or poaching thats classless! not saveing up all year for a couple of trips out and extra jobs for secondhand gear! dont get me wrong each to their own! abd yes most of the followers are on foot or in cars but they are only the spectators! fans if you like of the real hunters! lol. in their scarlet coats and so very obviously saved up for from their odd jobs or put away a bit out of their benifit hunt ponies!! dont make me laugh! the hunt is the preserve of the rich and connected! sure they have terrier men and packmasters to look after the hounds but most of these are employed by the hunt! hired help getting a wage from the hunt to do what a lot of us would do for free! not knocking you mate or your missus but to say hunting is classless is a joke

 

with respect

jonny

 

Sorry Johnny, but that is NOT my experience.......if anything hunting is a great leveller, it is one of the few times a poor man can stand with a millioniare and genuinely have something in common ..........a multi millionaire public school educated man will just as readily grab a spade and get stuck in with a dig to a terrier along with the dogs not so rich owner.......

 

And anyone who says that would do hunt service work for free has clearly never really seen what is involved with a proper pack.........let me tell you, some mornings you wouldnt want the job for 100k a year

 

I have been lucky enough to meet people from all walks of life involved with hunting and to a man (or woman) they have all just loved hounds and houndwork.

[WILF 49,874]

Poaching has always happened, and always been accepted. The latest craze is to glamorise it, and compete to see who can be most blatant about what they do.

 

amen!

[gonetoearth 5,144]

IVE HUNTED with fell packs , beagles harriers, welsh, Scots , from lands end to johnogroats , made welcome at them all

hunting is a class thing your right we all hunt the hunting class, when fat barsteward Prescott made it a class thing did he worry about the packs in the valleys of south wales, the lakes and the pennies, class eh well look at yeah glorious labour mp's quaffing there wine on the balcony's of Westminster , give me the hunting community, any day and as for previous comments on driven shooting fox gun tom your talking out of you wanna be Wallis arse again ha ha driven grouse shooting brings millions into the Scottish coffers every year

[jonnygray 139]

Yet more 'anti' myths on a hunting forum

 

Hunting is classless. My wife saves up all year to have a couple of days out with the hounds. She does cleaning jobs to pay to keep her horse, and most of her kit is secondhand.

 

The majority of followers are on foot, or in a car, and come from all walks of life. Most of them earn less than the average builder, and yet still, the old nonsense about it being the sport of 'toffs' continues.

 

Yes, there are some very exclusive packs, that cost a pretty penny to subscribe to; but for every one of them, there are at least 10 packs run on a shoestring by 'working class' (if there is still such a thing) people.

 

There is no doubt that the Hunting act was driven by class hatred, by people who refused to even consider that they could be wrong. It was the result of a concerted effort by our opponents to convince people that hunting was the sport of a rich minority.

 

As for Lurcher and Terrier work, it was defended by the CA and others, but the main effort was to save the houndsports because that was the main target.

 

 

 

If anyone truly believes that hunting with hounds is the preserve of the rich, I suggest they have a day out with a small pack, and then try and have a day out at your local golf club. I know which sport would make you feel more welcome...........

 

Hunting is class less! mate thats a crock! if it was classless it would be free like lamping or ferreting or poaching thats classless! not saveing up all year for a couple of trips out and extra jobs for secondhand gear! dont get me wrong each to their own! abd yes most of the followers are on foot or in cars but they are only the spectators! fans if you like of the real hunters! lol. in their scarlet coats and so very obviously saved up for from their odd jobs or put away a bit out of their benifit hunt ponies!! dont make me laugh! the hunt is the preserve of the rich and connected! sure they have terrier men and packmasters to look after the hounds but most of these are employed by the hunt! hired help getting a wage from the hunt to do what a lot of us would do for free! not knocking you mate or your missus but to say hunting is classless is a joke

 

with respect

jonny

 

Lamping and poaching are not free. Someone always pays one way or another. Poaching is illegal not classless.

 

All followers are spectators. The 'real hunters' as you call them; who wear red coats, are usually hunt staff, who are usually paid the 'unskilled' agricultural rate.

 

Hunts are owned and run by committees. Committees are made up of people with an interest in hunting, and who come from all walks of life.

 

If lurcherwork is not returned to us, it will be people like you who are partly to blame. You glamorise illegal poaching and perpetuate the myth that all hunters are just toffs in 'scarlet' coats.

 

Now that we have the hunting act, there seems to be far more people running amok in the countryside who don't give a damn about the law, peoples property, or the game they 'hunt'. Most of the local farmers here won't let anyone with a lurcher near their land, not because of the hunting act; or because they don't like lurchers, but because they are fed up with the lawlessness that seems to be rife at the moment. Gates left open, stock worried or killed, crops driven over, and local people intimidated. It's like the fecking wild west around here these days.

 

Poaching has always happened, and always been accepted. The latest craze is to glamorise it, and compete to see who can be most blatant about what they do.

 

About 25 years ago, I sat in a pub with a real old countryman listening to some dickhead telling the whole bar how many deer he had caught off the local estate the previous night. My wise old companion turned to me and quietly said, "there's them that talk about it, and there's them that do it". The internet seems to have just created more opportunity for these tiny penis wielding idiots to brag about their pillage of the british countryside, and still they moan about the 'toffs'.

 

ok mate coup;e of points lamping is free if lamping permitted quarry on land where you have the owners permission! i never glamorised poaching in any way shape or form i was pointing out the fact that hunting is not class less! you may be right that not all hunts and packs are for the upper class but do you really think that it is for your ordinary men in the street that any laws will be changed. next point the last person that referred to me as "people like you" was a tory loving stuck up twat of an re teacher who ended up on his arse wondering where his silver spoon had suddenly dissapeared to! i was 13 then! so before you decide who i am and what people i am like thinkl twice! by the way i grew up on a council estate in a one parent family! i am now a professional golfer who runs a very lucrative golf club! thank god i was made welcome!

 

cheers

jonny!

[jonnygray 139]

Yet more 'anti' myths on a hunting forum

 

Hunting is classless. My wife saves up all year to have a couple of days out with the hounds. She does cleaning jobs to pay to keep her horse, and most of her kit is secondhand.

 

The majority of followers are on foot, or in a car, and come from all walks of life. Most of them earn less than the average builder, and yet still, the old nonsense about it being the sport of 'toffs' continues.

 

Yes, there are some very exclusive packs, that cost a pretty penny to subscribe to; but for every one of them, there are at least 10 packs run on a shoestring by 'working class' (if there is still such a thing) people.

 

There is no doubt that the Hunting act was driven by class hatred, by people who refused to even consider that they could be wrong. It was the result of a concerted effort by our opponents to convince people that hunting was the sport of a rich minority.

 

As for Lurcher and Terrier work, it was defended by the CA and others, but the main effort was to save the houndsports because that was the main target.

 

 

 

If anyone truly believes that hunting with hounds is the preserve of the rich, I suggest they have a day out with a small pack, and then try and have a day out at your local golf club. I know which sport would make you feel more welcome...........

 

Hunting is class less! mate thats a crock! if it was classless it would be free like lamping or ferreting or poaching thats classless! not saveing up all year for a couple of trips out and extra jobs for secondhand gear! dont get me wrong each to their own! abd yes most of the followers are on foot or in cars but they are only the spectators! fans if you like of the real hunters! lol. in their scarlet coats and so very obviously saved up for from their odd jobs or put away a bit out of their benifit hunt ponies!! dont make me laugh! the hunt is the preserve of the rich and connected! sure they have terrier men and packmasters to look after the hounds but most of these are employed by the hunt! hired help getting a wage from the hunt to do what a lot of us would do for free! not knocking you mate or your missus but to say hunting is classless is a joke

 

with respect

jonny

 

Lamping and poaching are not free. Someone always pays one way or another. Poaching is illegal not classless.

 

All followers are spectators. The 'real hunters' as you call them; who wear red coats, are usually hunt staff, who are usually paid the 'unskilled' agricultural rate.

 

Hunts are owned and run by committees. Committees are made up of people with an interest in hunting, and who come from all walks of life.

 

If lurcherwork is not returned to us, it will be people like you who are partly to blame. You glamorise illegal poaching and perpetuate the myth that all hunters are just toffs in 'scarlet' coats.

 

Now that we have the hunting act, there seems to be far more people running amok in the countryside who don't give a damn about the law, peoples property, or the game they 'hunt'. Most of the local farmers here won't let anyone with a lurcher near their land, not because of the hunting act; or because they don't like lurchers, but because they are fed up with the lawlessness that seems to be rife at the moment. Gates left open, stock worried or killed, crops driven over, and local people intimidated. It's like the fecking wild west around here these days.

 

Poaching has always happened, and always been accepted. The latest craze is to glamorise it, and compete to see who can be most blatant about what they do.

 

About 25 years ago, I sat in a pub with a real old countryman listening to some dickhead telling the whole bar how many deer he had caught off the local estate the previous night. My wise old companion turned to me and quietly said, "there's them that talk about it, and there's them that do it". The internet seems to have just created more opportunity for these tiny penis wielding idiots to brag about their pillage of the british countryside, and still they moan about the 'toffs'.

 

ok mate coup;e of points lamping is free if lamping permitted quarry on land where you have the owners permission! i never glamorised poaching in any way shape or form i was pointing out the fact that hunting is not class less! you may be right that not all hunts and packs are for the upper class but do you really think that it is for your ordinary men in the street that any laws will be changed. next point the last person that referred to me as "people like you" was a tory loving stuck up twat of an re teacher who ended up on his arse wondering where his silver spoon had suddenly dissapeared to! i was 13 then! so before you decide who i am and what people i am like thinkl twice! by the way i grew up on a council estate in a one parent family! i am now a professional golfer who runs a very lucrative golf club! thank god i was made welcome!

 

cheers

jonny!

[jonnygray 139]

Yet more 'anti' myths on a hunting forum

 

Hunting is classless. My wife saves up all year to have a couple of days out with the hounds. She does cleaning jobs to pay to keep her horse, and most of her kit is secondhand.

 

The majority of followers are on foot, or in a car, and come from all walks of life. Most of them earn less than the average builder, and yet still, the old nonsense about it being the sport of 'toffs' continues.

 

Yes, there are some very exclusive packs, that cost a pretty penny to subscribe to; but for every one of them, there are at least 10 packs run on a shoestring by 'working class' (if there is still such a thing) people.

 

There is no doubt that the Hunting act was driven by class hatred, by people who refused to even consider that they could be wrong. It was the result of a concerted effort by our opponents to convince people that hunting was the sport of a rich minority.

 

As for Lurcher and Terrier work, it was defended by the CA and others, but the main effort was to save the houndsports because that was the main target.

 

 

 

If anyone truly believes that hunting with hounds is the preserve of the rich, I suggest they have a day out with a small pack, and then try and have a day out at your local golf club. I know which sport would make you feel more welcome...........

 

Hunting is class less! mate thats a crock! if it was classless it would be free like lamping or ferreting or poaching thats classless! not saveing up all year for a couple of trips out and extra jobs for secondhand gear! dont get me wrong each to their own! abd yes most of the followers are on foot or in cars but they are only the spectators! fans if you like of the real hunters! lol. in their scarlet coats and so very obviously saved up for from their odd jobs or put away a bit out of their benifit hunt ponies!! dont make me laugh! the hunt is the preserve of the rich and connected! sure they have terrier men and packmasters to look after the hounds but most of these are employed by the hunt! hired help getting a wage from the hunt to do what a lot of us would do for free! not knocking you mate or your missus but to say hunting is classless is a joke

 

with respect

jonny

 

Lamping and poaching are not free. Someone always pays one way or another. Poaching is illegal not classless.

 

All followers are spectators. The 'real hunters' as you call them; who wear red coats, are usually hunt staff, who are usually paid the 'unskilled' agricultural rate.

 

Hunts are owned and run by committees. Committees are made up of people with an interest in hunting, and who come from all walks of life.

 

If lurcherwork is not returned to us, it will be people like you who are partly to blame. You glamorise illegal poaching and perpetuate the myth that all hunters are just toffs in 'scarlet' coats.

 

Now that we have the hunting act, there seems to be far more people running amok in the countryside who don't give a damn about the law, peoples property, or the game they 'hunt'. Most of the local farmers here won't let anyone with a lurcher near their land, not because of the hunting act; or because they don't like lurchers, but because they are fed up with the lawlessness that seems to be rife at the moment. Gates left open, stock worried or killed, crops driven over, and local people intimidated. It's like the fecking wild west around here these days.

 

Poaching has always happened, and always been accepted. The latest craze is to glamorise it, and compete to see who can be most blatant about what they do.

 

About 25 years ago, I sat in a pub with a real old countryman listening to some dickhead telling the whole bar how many deer he had caught off the local estate the previous night. My wise old companion turned to me and quietly said, "there's them that talk about it, and there's them that do it". The internet seems to have just created more opportunity for these tiny penis wielding idiots to brag about their pillage of the british countryside, and still they moan about the 'toffs'.

 

ok mate coup;e of points lamping is free if lamping permitted quarry on land where you have the owners permission! i never glamorised poaching in any way shape or form i was pointing out the fact that hunting is not class less! you may be right that not all hunts and packs are for the upper class but do you really think that it is for your ordinary men in the street that any laws will be changed. next point the last person that referred to me as "people like you" was a tory loving stuck up twat of an re teacher who ended up on his arse wondering where his silver spoon had suddenly dissapeared to! i was 13 then! so before you decide who i am and what people i am like thinkl twice! by the way i grew up on a council estate in a one parent family! i am now a professional golfer who runs a very lucrative golf club! thank god i was made welcome!

 

cheers

jonny!

[gonetoearth 5,144]

Yet more 'anti' myths on a hunting forum

 

Hunting is classless. My wife saves up all year to have a couple of days out with the hounds. She does cleaning jobs to pay to keep her horse, and most of her kit is secondhand.

 

The majority of followers are on foot, or in a car, and come from all walks of life. Most of them earn less than the average builder, and yet still, the old nonsense about it being the sport of 'toffs' continues.

 

Yes, there are some very exclusive packs, that cost a pretty penny to subscribe to; but for every one of them, there are at least 10 packs run on a shoestring by 'working class' (if there is still such a thing) people.

 

There is no doubt that the Hunting act was driven by class hatred, by people who refused to even consider that they could be wrong. It was the result of a concerted effort by our opponents to convince people that hunting was the sport of a rich minority.

 

As for Lurcher and Terrier work, it was defended by the CA and others, but the main effort was to save the houndsports because that was the main target.

 

 

 

If anyone truly believes that hunting with hounds is the preserve of the rich, I suggest they have a day out with a small pack, and then try and have a day out at your local golf club. I know which sport would make you feel more welcome...........

 

Hunting is class less! mate thats a crock! if it was classless it would be free like lamping or ferreting or poaching thats classless! not saveing up all year for a couple of trips out and extra jobs for secondhand gear! dont get me wrong each to their own! abd yes most of the followers are on foot or in cars but they are only the spectators! fans if you like of the real hunters! lol. in their scarlet coats and so very obviously saved up for from their odd jobs or put away a bit out of their benifit hunt ponies!! dont make me laugh! the hunt is the preserve of the rich and connected! sure they have terrier men and packmasters to look after the hounds but most of these are employed by the hunt! hired help getting a wage from the hunt to do what a lot of us would do for free! not knocking you mate or your missus but to say hunting is classless is a joke

 

with respect

jonny

 

Lamping and poaching are not free. Someone always pays one way or another. Poaching is illegal not classless.

 

All followers are spectators. The 'real hunters' as you call them; who wear red coats, are usually hunt staff, who are usually paid the 'unskilled' agricultural rate.

 

Hunts are owned and run by committees. Committees are made up of people with an interest in hunting, and who come from all walks of life.

 

If lurcherwork is not returned to us, it will be people like you who are partly to blame. You glamorise illegal poaching and perpetuate the myth that all hunters are just toffs in 'scarlet' coats.

 

Now that we have the hunting act, there seems to be far more people running amok in the countryside who don't give a damn about the law, peoples property, or the game they 'hunt'. Most of the local farmers here won't let anyone with a lurcher near their land, not because of the hunting act; or because they don't like lurchers, but because they are fed up with the lawlessness that seems to be rife at the moment. Gates left open, stock worried or killed, crops driven over, and local people intimidated. It's like the fecking wild west around here these days.

 

Poaching has always happened, and always been accepted. The latest craze is to glamorise it, and compete to see who can be most blatant about what they do.

 

About 25 years ago, I sat in a pub with a real old countryman listening to some dickhead telling the whole bar how many deer he had caught off the local estate the previous night. My wise old companion turned to me and quietly said, "there's them that talk about it, and there's them that do it". The internet seems to have just created more opportunity for these tiny penis wielding idiots to brag about their pillage of the british countryside, and still they moan about the 'toffs'.

 

ok mate coup;e of points lamping is free if lamping permitted quarry on land where you have the owners permission! i never glamorised poaching in any way shape or form i was pointing out the fact that hunting is not class less! you may be right that not all hunts and packs are for the upper class but do you really think that it is for your ordinary men in the street that any laws will be changed. next point the last person that referred to me as "people like you" was a tory loving stuck up twat of an re teacher who ended up on his arse wondering where his silver spoon had suddenly dissapeared to! i was 13 then! so before you decide who i am and what people i am like thinkl twice! by the way i grew up on a council estate in a one parent family! i am now a professional golfer who runs a very lucrative golf club! thank god i was made welcome!

 

cheers

jonny!

please sir any chance of permision on your golf club

[gonetoearth 5,144]

feck the permission any chance helping me wae me back swing........

 

 

pwwweeeeaaassseee

as WHINSTON CHURCHILL SAID DOTTY GOLF " A WASTE OF A GOOD WALK"

[jonnygray 139]

Yet more 'anti' myths on a hunting forum

 

Hunting is classless. My wife saves up all year to have a couple of days out with the hounds. She does cleaning jobs to pay to keep her horse, and most of her kit is secondhand.

 

The majority of followers are on foot, or in a car, and come from all walks of life. Most of them earn less than the average builder, and yet still, the old nonsense about it being the sport of 'toffs' continues.

 

Yes, there are some very exclusive packs, that cost a pretty penny to subscribe to; but for every one of them, there are at least 10 packs run on a shoestring by 'working class' (if there is still such a thing) people.

 

There is no doubt that the Hunting act was driven by class hatred, by people who refused to even consider that they could be wrong. It was the result of a concerted effort by our opponents to convince people that hunting was the sport of a rich minority.

 

As for Lurcher and Terrier work, it was defended by the CA and others, but the main effort was to save the houndsports because that was the main target.

 

 

 

If anyone truly believes that hunting with hounds is the preserve of the rich, I suggest they have a day out with a small pack, and then try and have a day out at your local golf club. I know which sport would make you feel more welcome...........

 

Hunting is class less! mate thats a crock! if it was classless it would be free like lamping or ferreting or poaching thats classless! not saveing up all year for a couple of trips out and extra jobs for secondhand gear! dont get me wrong each to their own! abd yes most of the followers are on foot or in cars but they are only the spectators! fans if you like of the real hunters! lol. in their scarlet coats and so very obviously saved up for from their odd jobs or put away a bit out of their benifit hunt ponies!! dont make me laugh! the hunt is the preserve of the rich and connected! sure they have terrier men and packmasters to look after the hounds but most of these are employed by the hunt! hired help getting a wage from the hunt to do what a lot of us would do for free! not knocking you mate or your missus but to say hunting is classless is a joke

 

with respect

jonny

 

Lamping and poaching are not free. Someone always pays one way or another. Poaching is illegal not classless.

 

All followers are spectators. The 'real hunters' as you call them; who wear red coats, are usually hunt staff, who are usually paid the 'unskilled' agricultural rate.

 

Hunts are owned and run by committees. Committees are made up of people with an interest in hunting, and who come from all walks of life.

 

If lurcherwork is not returned to us, it will be people like you who are partly to blame. You glamorise illegal poaching and perpetuate the myth that all hunters are just toffs in 'scarlet' coats.

 

Now that we have the hunting act, there seems to be far more people running amok in the countryside who don't give a damn about the law, peoples property, or the game they 'hunt'. Most of the local farmers here won't let anyone with a lurcher near their land, not because of the hunting act; or because they don't like lurchers, but because they are fed up with the lawlessness that seems to be rife at the moment. Gates left open, stock worried or killed, crops driven over, and local people intimidated. It's like the fecking wild west around here these days.

 

Poaching has always happened, and always been accepted. The latest craze is to glamorise it, and compete to see who can be most blatant about what they do.

 

About 25 years ago, I sat in a pub with a real old countryman listening to some dickhead telling the whole bar how many deer he had caught off the local estate the previous night. My wise old companion turned to me and quietly said, "there's them that talk about it, and there's them that do it". The internet seems to have just created more opportunity for these tiny penis wielding idiots to brag about their pillage of the british countryside, and still they moan about the 'toffs'.

 

ok mate coup;e of points lamping is free if lamping permitted quarry on land where you have the owners permission! i never glamorised poaching in any way shape or form i was pointing out the fact that hunting is not class less! you may be right that not all hunts and packs are for the upper class but do you really think that it is for your ordinary men in the street that any laws will be changed. next point the last person that referred to me as "people like you" was a tory loving stuck up twat of an re teacher who ended up on his arse wondering where his silver spoon had suddenly dissapeared to! i was 13 then! so before you decide who i am and what people i am like thinkl twice! by the way i grew up on a council estate in a one parent family! i am now a professional golfer who runs a very lucrative golf club! thank god i was made welcome!

 

cheers

jonny!

please sir any chance of permision on your golf club

 

mate i take so many people on there you wouldnt believe. the place is full of them! so fast i reckon one of our greenkeeper is growing a cocaine grass hybrid on the fairways! i got no problem taking anyone out for a night lampin on my permission! just try jumpin on tarquins pony next time the tally ho goes up, and see how welcome your made for the tiffin after! lol. sorry couldnt help my self!

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Yet more 'anti' myths on a hunting forum

 

Hunting is classless. My wife saves up all year to have a couple of days out with the hounds. She does cleaning jobs to pay to keep her horse, and most of her kit is secondhand.

 

The majority of followers are on foot, or in a car, and come from all walks of life. Most of them earn less than the average builder, and yet still, the old nonsense about it being the sport of 'toffs' continues.

 

Yes, there are some very exclusive packs, that cost a pretty penny to subscribe to; but for every one of them, there are at least 10 packs run on a shoestring by 'working class' (if there is still such a thing) people.

 

There is no doubt that the Hunting act was driven by class hatred, by people who refused to even consider that they could be wrong. It was the result of a concerted effort by our opponents to convince people that hunting was the sport of a rich minority.

 

As for Lurcher and Terrier work, it was defended by the CA and others, but the main effort was to save the houndsports because that was the main target.

 

 

 

If anyone truly believes that hunting with hounds is the preserve of the rich, I suggest they have a day out with a small pack, and then try and have a day out at your local golf club. I know which sport would make you feel more welcome...........

 

Hunting is class less! mate thats a crock! if it was classless it would be free like lamping or ferreting or poaching thats classless! not saveing up all year for a couple of trips out and extra jobs for secondhand gear! dont get me wrong each to their own! abd yes most of the followers are on foot or in cars but they are only the spectators! fans if you like of the real hunters! lol. in their scarlet coats and so very obviously saved up for from their odd jobs or put away a bit out of their benifit hunt ponies!! dont make me laugh! the hunt is the preserve of the rich and connected! sure they have terrier men and packmasters to look after the hounds but most of these are employed by the hunt! hired help getting a wage from the hunt to do what a lot of us would do for free! not knocking you mate or your missus but to say hunting is classless is a joke

 

with respect

jonny

 

Lamping and poaching are not free. Someone always pays one way or another. Poaching is illegal not classless.

 

All followers are spectators. The 'real hunters' as you call them; who wear red coats, are usually hunt staff, who are usually paid the 'unskilled' agricultural rate.

 

Hunts are owned and run by committees. Committees are made up of people with an interest in hunting, and who come from all walks of life.

 

If lurcherwork is not returned to us, it will be people like you who are partly to blame. You glamorise illegal poaching and perpetuate the myth that all hunters are just toffs in 'scarlet' coats.

 

Now that we have the hunting act, there seems to be far more people running amok in the countryside who don't give a damn about the law, peoples property, or the game they 'hunt'. Most of the local farmers here won't let anyone with a lurcher near their land, not because of the hunting act; or because they don't like lurchers, but because they are fed up with the lawlessness that seems to be rife at the moment. Gates left open, stock worried or killed, crops driven over, and local people intimidated. It's like the fecking wild west around here these days.

 

Poaching has always happened, and always been accepted. The latest craze is to glamorise it, and compete to see who can be most blatant about what they do.

 

About 25 years ago, I sat in a pub with a real old countryman listening to some dickhead telling the whole bar how many deer he had caught off the local estate the previous night. My wise old companion turned to me and quietly said, "there's them that talk about it, and there's them that do it". The internet seems to have just created more opportunity for these tiny penis wielding idiots to brag about their pillage of the british countryside, and still they moan about the 'toffs'.

 

ok mate coup;e of points lamping is free if lamping permitted quarry on land where you have the owners permission! i never glamorised poaching in any way shape or form i was pointing out the fact that hunting is not class less! you may be right that not all hunts and packs are for the upper class but do you really think that it is for your ordinary men in the street that any laws will be changed. next point the last person that referred to me as "people like you" was a tory loving stuck up twat of an re teacher who ended up on his arse wondering where his silver spoon had suddenly dissapeared to! i was 13 then! so before you decide who i am and what people i am like thinkl twice! by the way i grew up on a council estate in a one parent family! i am now a professional golfer who runs a very lucrative golf club! thank god i was made welcome!

 

cheers

jonny!

please sir any chance of permision on your golf club

 

mate i take so many people on there you wouldnt believe. the place is full of them! so fast i reckon one of our greenkeeper is growing a cocaine grass hybrid on the fairways! i got no problem taking anyone out for a night lampin on my permission! just try jumpin on tarquins pony next time the tally ho goes up, and see how welcome your made for the tiffin after! lol. sorry couldnt help my self!

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ok mate coup;e of points lamping is free if lamping permitted quarry on land where you have the owners permission! i never glamorised poaching in any way shape or form i was pointing out the fact that hunting is not class less! you may be right that not all hunts and packs are for the upper class but do you really think that it is for your ordinary men in the street that any laws will be changed.

 

Who the ban is repealed for is not really the point though is it?

 

You still seem to think that hunting is only for what you think are the 'upper classes'. I'm not sure why, but perhaps you should read some of the other posts in this thread.

 

As someone has already said; hunting is a great leveller. All are equal in the hunting field, and the only snobbery I've ever come across has been from the antis.

 

In reality, the majority of hunts are staffed, and supported by some of the poorest people in society. They may not live in cardboard boxes, but I know many, many supporters who live in rented accommodation, and hunt on foot. Some folks make sacrifices to be able to afford the time and small amount of money needed to follow hounds.

 

next point the last person that referred to me as "people like you" was a tory loving stuck up twat of an re teacher who ended up on his arse wondering where his silver spoon had suddenly dissapeared to! i was 13 then! so before you decide who i am and what people i am like thinkl twice! by the way i grew up on a council estate in a one parent family! i am now a professional golfer who runs a very lucrative golf club! thank god i was made welcome!

 

I'm not sure why you think it's necessary to tell the world that you assaulted a school teacher because you didn't like his or her politics?

 

The fact that you are a professional golfer to me makes you anything but 'working class' regardless of your upbringing. If you were made welcome to a golf club it is more likely to be because of your prowess with a club than anything else. You can't get much further away from hunting where the only thing that matters to anyone is the hounds and the hunting.

 

I've a very good friend who has spent his whole life in hunt service. He lives in a tied cottage, and the small amount of time he can spare for any sort of social life is devoted to hunt fund raising functions. He lives and breathes hunting and his hounds, and probably works more hours in one week than some people do in a year. Go and tell him he's a 'toff' or 'upper class' and see what happens.

 

Who's more 'upper class' these days? The lowly hunt servant, or the professional golfer who owns his own course......... I wonder.

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