cunninghamb 2 Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 (edited) hello all, just done my work experince with the ranger from the forrestry commision, i only had 2 days with him but thourthly enjoyed it and learnt a lot, we got 2 knobbers yesterday and today we got one poorish condition 6/7 pointer, anyway im going to do some stalking with him through the commision (paying for it) but he said that i might need to get my FAC and a premit of sorts to "borrow" his rifle for the days stalking - but he wasnt 100% sure, so could some one please tell me the laws and regulations regarding this matter, bearing in mind that im 16, and im in scotland if that helps, thanks all, all the best edited to say: mods feel free to move if in wrong section Edited August 13, 2009 by cunninghamb Quote Link to post
Deker 3,491 Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 He's possibly right...only the owner or his appointed agent can lend you his gun to use in his presence in England...it's a Little more complicated than that, but I'm not sure about Scotland! Talk to your FEO, I'm sure he will advise you! Quote Link to post
cunninghamb 2 Posted August 14, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 ok will speak to him and see what he says, but if anyone knows it would be easier than going in and speaking to someone, cheers deker, all the best Quote Link to post
scarecrow243 24 Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 as long as he is with you there should be no problem as people get takeing stalking that dont have an f.a.c. and use the estates guns Quote Link to post
cunninghamb 2 Posted August 14, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 as long as he is with you there should be no problem as people get takeing stalking that dont have an f.a.c. and use the estates guns thast what i thought, but maybe it would be diffrent due to my age? cheers mate, all the best Quote Link to post
cunninghamb 2 Posted August 14, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 The FC will not allow you to shoot on their land its your age thats the problem not the lack of FAC problem. Estates allow anyone to shoot their rifles but this is not strictly legal mainely due to age issues. so whats my situation then? little confused now Quote Link to post
223 cz 0 Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 Just ring your feo thats what there for better to know now before you go he wont bite Quote Link to post
cunninghamb 2 Posted August 14, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 (edited) Just ring your feo thats what there for better to know now before you go he wont bite you never know! Edited August 14, 2009 by cunninghamb Quote Link to post
CharlieT 32 Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 Here is the relevant passage regarding estate rifles. However you must be 17 or over. This is taken from ACPO guidelines and is pretty simple to understand: Borrowed rifles on private premises 6.16 Section 16(1) of the 1988 Act enables a person to borrow a rifle from the occupier of private premises and to use it on those premises in the presence of either the occupier or their servant without holding a firearm certificate in respect of that rifle. It should be noted that this gives slightly more flexibility in the use of a borrowed rifle than is permissible with the use of a shot gun as described in paragraph 6.14, in that the borrowed rifle can also be used in the presence of the servant of the occupier. However, the occupier and/or their servant must hold a firearm certificate in respect of the firearm being used, and the borrower, who must be accompanied by the certificate holder (whether it is the occupier or their servant), must comply with the conditions of the certificate. These may include a safekeeping requirement and, in some cases, territorial restrictions. Section 57(4) of the 1968 Act defines “premises†as including any land. The effect of the provision is to allow a person visiting a private estate to borrow and use a rifle without a certificate. The exemption does not extend to persons under the age of 17 or to other types of firearm. There is no notification required on the loan of a firearm under these circumstances. A borrowed rifle should not be specifically identified as such on a “keeper’s†or “landowner’s†firearm certificate. The term “in the presence of†is not defined in law but is generally interpreted as being within sight and earshot. Quote Link to post
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