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Posts posted by David Aiken
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Kent Wildfowlers have an Air Rifle section for both vermin and target:I always think it's only saddo' that pay for permission to shoot can't do the job so they pay for it they talk the talk but can't walk the walk once farmers start charging to shoot vermin the games over
Helpful for those with little or no chance of finding permission. I've a friend who works in London, train @ 07:00, home @ 19:30. No time to seek out permission. Plus he won't go regularly so I doubt a farmer would be interested! Not a sado. I've a couple of friends who have the best part of 600 acres between then, will they share, no, now that's sad!
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The Browning T bolt is a bag of wank to be honest. Every person I know with one is not happy with them and either wants rid or have got rid. The trigger is really bad.. The CZ 452 stick a trigger kit in buy a carbine verson your not going to get much better at just doing its job, and the triggers are much much better. As far as I know the t bolt adjustment, still leaves the trigger stiff as hell, and there are no kits for them.
I wonder if they all had the same version? All the reviews and owners of the 16.5" Target/Vermin seam to love then. There are some bad reports on the 20"?
Shooting UK give the thumbs up:
http://www.shootinguk.co.uk/reviews/shotgun/browning-t-bolt-targetvarmint-17hmr
Gun Mart seam to like it:
http://www.gunmart.net/gun_review/browning_t_bolt
Mark @ Tom on the Farm likes it:
I can find a fair number of thumbs up videos and reviews, You say "The Browning T bolt is a bag of wank to be honest. Every person I know with one is not happy with them and either wants rid or have got rid" I can't find these reviews or videos for the Target/Varmint 16.5" Do you have web links or bad reviews you can post so I can get these opinions as well as the good?
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If I am not mistaken, which I may well be, If fox are classed as vermin and pest why can you not purposely go look for a fox with a .22lr. For whatever reason it may be the safest calibre for the situation in hand.Good stuff
Just remember that although it's conditioned for fox it's not a "fox" calibre. keep shot placement in mind and keep the distances down.
I've had less runners with the .22 lr !
If you've got a lot of foxes to shoot get a centre fire.
Also one point, yes, if a fox comes along while I'm Rabbiting with my .22lr I'll take the shot. But my FAC .22lt is not condition for fox, so if asked to do so I can't go looking for a fox. Where as the .17 hmr on my FAC says fox, so if asked to shoot a fox this would be my only available caliber .22lr not being an option.
In the UK a fox is listed as a pest species which may me culled, however it's not classified as vermin, fox comes under its own catagory which is fox. Therefore if you possess a firearm and wish to shoot foxes and vermin it will need two separate endorsments, one for fox and one for vermin.
The latest Home Office Guide DOES list Fox as Vermin!
It may well and I agreed the fox is vermin, but it is not, and never has been categorised as such by the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (DEFRA).
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If I am not mistaken, which I may well be, If fox are classed as vermin and pest why can you not purposely go look for a fox with a .22lr. For whatever reason it may be the safest calibre for the situation in hand.Good stuff
Just remember that although it's conditioned for fox it's not a "fox" calibre. keep shot placement in mind and keep the distances down.
I've had less runners with the .22 lr !
If you've got a lot of foxes to shoot get a centre fire.
Also one point, yes, if a fox comes along while I'm Rabbiting with my .22lr I'll take the shot. But my FAC .22lt is not condition for fox, so if asked to do so I can't go looking for a fox. Where as the .17 hmr on my FAC says fox, so if asked to shoot a fox this would be my only available caliber .22lr not being an option.
In the UK a fox is listed as a pest species which may me culled, however it's not classified as vermin, fox comes under its own catagory which is fox. Therefore if you possess a firearm and wish to shoot foxes and vermin it will need two separate endorsments, one for fox and one for vermin.
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Good stuff
Just remember that although it's conditioned for fox it's not a "fox" calibre. keep shot placement in mind and keep the distances down.
I've had less runners with the .22 lr !
If you've got a lot of foxes to shoot get a centre fire.
Also one point, yes, if a fox comes along while I'm Rabbiting with my .22lr I'll take the shot. But my FAC .22lt is not condition for fox, so if asked to do so I can't go looking for a fox. Where as the .17 hmr on my FAC says fox, so if asked to shoot a fox this would be my only available caliber .22lr not being an option.
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Good stuff
Just remember that although it's conditioned for fox it's not a "fox" calibre. keep shot placement in mind and keep the distances down.
I've had less runners with the .22 lr !
If you've got a lot of foxes to shoot get a centre fire.
My maximum in perfect condition: Good light and good shot placement:
50 yards (45 meters) .22lr
yards (72/73 meters) 17 hmr
I've read 125 yards! Not for me!
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The latest version as per my pic felt far better than the composite version. The 't' bolt being able to be cocked with the thumb of the trigger hand impressed me. When shooting prone I tend to shift to much when taking my hand off the gun to cock a normal bolt (due to age related back issues) The standard sportster didn't impress, the stock style was to bland where as the target/vermin 16.5" version did.I personally really dislike the action on the t bolts. I find you loose your sight picture when cycling , and end up pulling and pushing the whole rifle on roof of truck . Cycling the action makes a racket I also found as you can't work the action slowly as with a normal bolt. The triggers aren't easily adjustable to a light pull, very creepy and just not nice in general.
I do however like the magazine system as its flush fitting and never had any issues with jams. I've not used the wood stock version but the plastic stocked models felt like something you'd buy from toys are us .
I haven't tried a few different models so this is just my experience of one t bolt so whether they are all like this I can't say.
I've used one a fair bit this last year or two shooting rabbits ( mate owns one ) and my personal preference is definately the cz's.
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I've a 1417 Anschutz in thumbhole :-)All I would add David is make sure you've shot a rifle with a thumb hole stock if you haven't already. They're very much a love or hate thing.
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South Yorkshire Police dont allow 22 rimmy or 17HMR for Fox as I am sure others don't. It was a nice surprise to see it added with out asking.Why not
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The variation is back! and my FEO has managed to get .17 hmr added just in time. Not only is it an `open` ticket for both .17 hmr and .22lr he`s conditioned the .17 hmr `FOX`! , I wasn't expecting that!
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I love the 1517 but not sure I won't a 4 shot magazine? I don't use my 10 shot with my 1417 other than when zeroing as I much prefer a flush fitting magazine when using a sling or resting on a fence. The Browning looks fab, I'm sure later on I could get a custom thumbhole?
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Her in door has agreed to buy me a .17 hmr for my 50th I`ve narrowed it down to 3 models!
1. As I have a Anschutz 1417 thumb hole and love it a second hand 1517 Deluxe is in the running (Deluxe to tell them apart ) Super quality, can't fault the 1417!
2. A new Browning `T` Bolt composite stock, 10 shot, only 4 for the 1517, slick bolt!
3. A new Browning T` Bolt walnut stock, 10 shot, only 4 for the 1517, slick bolt!
I love the look of the Browning but I do love the thumbhole in the Anschutz but there are limited secondhand Deluxe models out there. This will be a workhorse which steers me towards a composite and the Browning being cheaper. Any thoughts?
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I wonder if he'll lose his right to bear arms ?
http://news.sky.com/story/1631016/cop-loses-assault-rifle-he-left-on-top-of-car
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I emailed the firearms licensing office to see where my variation was in the que. They forward it to my FEO?? I new he wouldn't know but he gave me a call anyway! While on the phone I asked a cheeky 'can I have a .17hmr on an open ticket"? The reply, "yes, no problem, I'll add it to your variation" Rather pleased!
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I bought a very heavy duty telescope from the auctions. Looking at the Moon was amazing.
But them bright dots were still bright dots through the scope.
So back it went.
Was told later that trying to look at stars was pointless but looking at Planets would have been better.
Depends on your scope! I've a 10" f6.3 reflector. In real terms that's 5' long with a 10" professional grade mirror. I can see to about magnitude 13 so can see the companion star of Polaris, the pole (North) star. Split Miza in Urssa Major with easy. Also if you take the scope out of focus on one of those uninteresting starts you can see colours which are the gas makeup. This gives their size, age and then distance can be determined! Loads of great sights out there with minimal equipment. Join a club, your can't beat an astronomy club!
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What sort of magnification binoculars would be best for this?
7 or 8 x mag 32 to 56mm front optic hand held. Anything up to 25 x 150 if mounted. The bigger the greater cost, 25x150 can be £25,000!
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H&N FTT Green! Lead free from H&N!
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Jb showed me a phone app wherever you view the sky stars are named, clever stuff. Atb Joe
While these apps are a helpful tool as per the discussion on this site 'springer or PCP' for a first air gun. The conclusion a 'springer' teaches shooting , the same is true of these apps. You just aim at the night sky and are told what's in that location. You'll never learn 'star hopping'. Give me just a pair of binoculars and one star, I can after 'learning' my way around the night sky spend hours looking at it's wounders without the reliance on a powered device.
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Definitely a good pair of binoculars and a secondhand book. You may get a reasonable secondhand telescope for £100 but you'll need a mount of some sort, a cheep mount will let down any price scope.
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Mine leaked, it was the cylinder. A smear with silicon grease around the `o` ring soon sorted it. The `o` rings are prone to becoming dry.
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Tried H&N FTT in copper, not near a good as the standard ones!
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Good post, always wanted to see results from an FAC springer! The group looks good, how big a coin size would you say it is?
If I ever have more money than sense I would love to get one of the big Diana springers.
The 'blue' 5 score is 25mm. The groups are getting better all the time.
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Paying For Permission...??
in General Airgun Discussion
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£200 per year and it's full Must be more people paying to shoot vermin than I thought! Gives you BASC membership, so if you're already a paid BASC member, rather expensive