I dont know any one with one with working dogs or any dogs for that matter they dont get competative and the russell will just follow the chocolate patt I would like to use them to shift a couple charlies [BANNED TEXT] they are older but they are on the other side of the farm no worries about them the recal was easy feed them half of they get in the morning and a give them a bit of grub everty time they come back [BANNED TEXT] called works a treat mate atb