Fair point sirius, to be honest going to the internet to find blokes to show me how to ferret is a bit alien to me, but needs must as not many people do it round this way by the looks of things. got some land I can ferret but this is mostly quite dense hedge. so probably a bit more technical than ferreting a bare hillside I presume. quite tempted to just crack on and get the kit and ferrets to be honest. done a fair bit of reading so wouldnt be going into it completely blind