good points made by a fw people but one for me would have to be someone who can learn with there dog and learn from there mistake, as someone just coming into the game i wouldnt say i know half as much as anyone on here but listening to people on here and mates i have and learning whats best. we cant be good all the time and we will make mistakes either way one incident doesnt make you bad or good, surely if your enloying things and the dog is to then thats the main thing????