Benellisupernova
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Guess i'll have to try and get me foot in the door then or find someone who don't charge the earth. It's not the price as such..it's the principle . Never showed a dog in me life and never will. The one i get(if i get one) will be used for cover work for the big dogs.
What's made you decide on a plummer for bushing over say a spaniel/hound cross or whatever stabba? And what about the dog getting to ground whilst bushing? The terriers wont come off the lead will we're at an earth round here, only when on ground i know well and even than ive had a few accidents
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im definetly no expert but me and my digging partner have always inbred/linebred and like true saxon i always believed brother/sister was closer than mother/son (if there isnt any relatinon between the sire/dam which produced the son in the mother/son breeding) if that makes sense
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"It's sad, but horses are animals, outside your back door. Humans are humans. They are inside your back door.
"You can replace a horse. You can't replace a human being. That's my feeling on it."
The comments sparked a furious response from a number of animal rights groups, but Walsh felt his view had been slightly misinterpreted.
He told the Alan Brazil Sports Breakfast on talkSPORT: "We look after horses like they're pets. There's a huge difference between your pet and your family. That's the point I was making.
"There's a big difference between you going home tonight and something's happened to your dog, and you go home tonight and something's happened to one of your kids. There's a huge difference.
"We look after horses like they are pets, and that's the feeling you get when something goes wrong. At the end of the day, it's still your pet. It ain't your son, your daughter, your brother, your sister."
100% agree with what he's said, my dogs/horses are a big part of my life but you cant compare a human life to a f***ing animal imo end of
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ive got a 4 month old 3/8 5/8th wheaten x pup now, ill let yous know if its any good end of next season
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Swede 40, as I started this thread that gives me a say in things, Plummers in general 95% of them are poor dogs and I certainly agree with most lads opinions of them, most will never see proper work, I have worked and owned every type of terrier but since the ban due to the area's I hunt I only keep softer more controllable terriers, as has already been said any terrier will do a job working small runs in heavy cover and I have seen good ones of all types, you will only force a bolt by pressing your quarry or they will simply go round and round. My line of russells/Plummers are unique in their breeding and do what I want but are certainly not the "holy grail", my "arrogance" as you put it is born from a lifetime working many types of dogs all over this country and my threads and posts are supported by decent photo's as factual evidence,
"Blowhards" like yourself never offer any proof of credibility even when criticised because you simply do not have any, as has previously been said you are probably a recycled troll that's already been banned , it's easy to pick posts apart but for a "forum" to operate in the manner its meant it needs its members to participate positively, I would love to see a thread by yourself with some pics of your days out just to see if you actually own a dog , this site is made all the more poorer by trolls like yourself and it is no wonder the content has suffered so badly, I look forward to your thread and pics but I won't hold my breath, W A W, WM
Ohh god not the photo evidence card again!
im sure alot of you lads have more experience than me (as WM made clear to me in the past!) lol but to be honest it all depends on personal prefrence and the sort of hunting and the types of land you hunt which dogs suits you best. Ive seen terriers bushing to guns/lurchers and done a cracking job, travelling through cover faster than larger dogs due to there size, but personally i couldnt keep a terrier for bushing cause if they go to ground in some of the places round me your pretty much f****d! I have a spaniel for just the odd but of bushing and the terriers dont get off the lead till we're at an earth to avoid accidents! Im sure your plummers do the job for you WM i dont deny that but ffs whats with the defensive "i know better than you all" attitude, we all have opinions, that doesnt mean any of us are [BANNED TEXT] or wrong including you 
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The ones that are still intact...until they burst
Ive had so many different pairs, I honestly think you get good and bad in all of them, ive had boots that last 2 seasons and get replacements that last 2 months
sometimes your luck of the draw imoIve tried a good few different boots too mate, i like the chainsaw boots to dig in but way to heavy for me to do any walking!
Ive had danner boots last couple seasons and to be honest they aint much lighter! Think ill probably go for lowa or meindl for next season -
so which boots are best for digging?
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All pups will fight and try to dominate one another its a natural thing as in the wild only the fittest strongest most dominant cubs survive. Ive had pups bred out cool calm parents actually kill litter mates at 8 wks its nothing to do with being line bred its purely out of the fact these type of terriers are bred to never back down they are bred to work and dominate their game. Usually at 8 or so weeks they dont have the teeth to do damage but they usually all pick on one pup and thats where you'll lose them. If your giving some away you should do it now and it will also save on grub but if not just separate the trouble makers and you'll be grand. Ive also had pups out of a good working line bred bitch who is nothing but trouble in the kennel and i thought her pups would be maniacs but they were fairly well behaved for my pups. Also people are saying why would you want those troublesome dogs in your kennel and their being bloody naive and showing there greenness in the game. Pups need to have a certain vigour about them when there finding their feet with work they all temper down. Good dogmen wouldnt fault unruly well bred pups. I know i wouldnt. Good stockman ship has alot to play in it.
Spot on mate well said! But breeding to closely for to many generations and imo will end up with pups that are lacking something in the brain department
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Don't think their milk teeth will be doing much damage,
sounds like their just trying to boss each other around 
Don't think you have "Killers!" on your hands ,just BOISTEROUS pups..
I.M.O.
listen to his advice if you want dead pups! 
Do you Think if Pups are Up for "KILLING" each other at 7weeks you want to be KEEPING that attribute in ANY dog
Just a Nightmare to kennel and have round other dogs down the Line...I.M.O.
.. sometimes!
but HAVE to kennel separately anyway! Had a smart Black ,won one of the Biggest shows in U.K.,as a pup ,but as a pup a litter mate took a hold of his Face,before I could intervene,Blood was up........Any dog from that Day on ,went with in neck reach,BANG ! If Old Cyril Tyson was still around ,would vouch for that
Anyhow Dog never made it to 2yrs,Pts..plenty would have bred of him ! Me ! no time for that Type,later found out, his Grand sire OL' Dan was similiar,but well bred off,because he could Kill a Fox...some folk just don't mind the inconvienance and liability.
To be honest i wouldn't kennel any dogs together regardless of what they were like as pups! The pup i have kept back from that litter is now about 14 months and had a couple easy digs and will now be held back till next season, but he's already calmed down alot after some work. But the whole litter have a screw loose, think its time for an outcross!
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Pat pups 7 weeks old fighting seem raging each other on back end.?
Are your pups very closely line bred by any chance mate?
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Don't think their milk teeth will be doing much damage,
sounds like their just trying to boss each other around Don't think you have "Killers!" on your hands ,just BOISTEROUS pups..
I.M.O.
listen to his advice if you want dead pups! Do you Think if Pups are Up for "KILLING" each other at 7weeks you want to be KEEPING that attribute in ANY dog
Just a Nightmare to kennel and have round other dogs down the Line...I.M.O.
They should mature and calm down in time if taken out with other dogs... somethimes!
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Don't think their milk teeth will be doing much damage,
sounds like their just trying to boss each other around Don't think you have "Killers!" on your hands ,just BOISTEROUS pups..
I.M.O.
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Had the same with a litter i had last year, you'll have to seperate them or get rid asap if they're anything like me were!
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I've had dogs start late (2 is fairly late imo) and gone on to be good honest dogs and are still working now, but these were pups i had off mates which i already knew are later starters than my own! If a pup off my own dogs/digging partners line aren't started by 18 months they will be gone as i know the line and know they have been early starters for over 20 years and anything that doesnt show interest early on will not amount to anything! I have no problem at all with giving a pup time if they are known to be late starters but id rather stick to my own dogs which are rearing to go from 10 months or so, each to there own imo
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Out of curiosity where on earth do you get a good black dog for a fraction of the price find it near impossible to get a well bred pupcant understand why ANYBODY who is serious into working there terriers would pay 800 for a jadg when they could get a good black dog in this country for a fraction of the price! the only possible reason is to breed and make £££££££
I have been lucky and never had to buy dogs,but if i wanted one of these German dogs I would not consider 800 to much money.If good black dogs are that plentiful(they are not)why are people looking for working dogs on here all the time?There is a lot more shit black dogs than good ones.If I wanted an outcross i would have no hesitation putting a good Jadg into a line of blacks or Lakeland.
Lakieman, same as liam i have never had to buy a terrier and hopefully never will! I have a couple of good mates and we breed and keep the same line and pups are given out between us. If your not as lucky as i am and cant get a decent black dog off a mate you should still be able to buy one of good working background if you do your homework and aren't a messer
And liam i always like to read your posts but id never even consider putting a jadg, lakeland, border or any other dog to any of my dogs and never will as we have plenty of good stock in this country and dont need pricey imports that will be peddled imoBeneii there comes a time when you have to out cross whether you like it or not.We have the same black dogs a long time,and the same with Lakelands, but you can breed very tight as we allways done but there comes a time the outcross has to be used,so how are you going to get around that one?I would use a good one to put something different in the gene pool(but thats just me)I am told they are very hyper in kennels that is one of my pet hates and a pure one with these traits would have a precarious existence around me.Personally I think if they come in to these parts they will be bred for money whether they are good stock or shite,just like the blacks.
Yes i agree at times an outcross is obviously needed but i would rather use a dog of the same line if possible but if not id use a black dog i have seen work and know myself has been fully tested rather than an imported dog i know little about! But that just my opinion, i would also like to see these dogs come over here and into working hands, but at that price realisticly its not a price a working man can afford to chance(not me anyway)! And id also like to see if they live up to all the hype ive heard about them.
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Out of curiosity where on earth do you get a good black dog for a fraction of the price find it near impossible to get a well bred pupcant understand why ANYBODY who is serious into working there terriers would pay 800 for a jadg when they could get a good black dog in this country for a fraction of the price! the only possible reason is to breed and make £££££££
I have been lucky and never had to buy dogs,but if i wanted one of these German dogs I would not consider 800 to much money.If good black dogs are that plentiful(they are not)why are people looking for working dogs on here all the time?There is a lot more shit black dogs than good ones.If I wanted an outcross i would have no hesitation putting a good Jadg into a line of blacks or Lakeland.
Lakieman, same as liam i have never had to buy a terrier and hopefully never will! I have a couple of good mates and we breed and keep the same line and pups are given out between us. If your not as lucky as i am and cant get a decent black dog off a mate you should still be able to buy one of good working background if you do your homework and aren't a messer
And liam i always like to read your posts but id never even consider putting a jadg, lakeland, border or any other dog to any of my dogs and never will as we have plenty of good stock in this country and dont need pricey imports that will be peddled imo -
maybe the price cuts out a lot of the messers?
they could get an Xbox 500Gb for £500 and have money let over for games
if you have decent dogs about you already, why pay £650 for a pup?
and i'm sure most lads have mates with dogs they have seen work and know they are well proven to breed/have a pup off? i just dont see they point to be honest! -
why people are scared to try something they know little about? its cost's a bomb and is definetly not guaranteed to work any better than what i have now no matter what you think! i work hard for my money and am not about to start throwing it about on the offchance of getting a decent dog! if you want to do that, you choice! i never have bought a terrier and doubt i ever will as i have mates with dogs that work hard and are tested all season, and have seen with my own eyes work! i have nothing against you trying something new, just i dont see the point if you have decent dogs about you already. and whats the last comment all about? if you havent got money to waste your a scumbag?Can't understand why people are scared to try something, and you'd think people had to sell there granny to make a wage on this website! Wonder how much a black dog would cost if they weren't everywhere!!!
If you want a black dog then get one, I fancy trying something new for a change, it's about time with all these black dogs just getting bred left right and centre then being sold as top worker to worker pups ect, 800 euro or 650 quid isn't to bad for something that's a lot different to your standard uk earthdog bought from the right breeders overseas you can guarantee that the bloodline will have come from solid workers which have been tested on all game...that's my reason! Not because I want to waste time that I could be at work breeding a few pups... No everyone is a scumbag struggling to make a few quid.
I spend 5 days a week cutting trees and sleeping in a caravan in the woods for my money so I know the value of it I just don't feel that 650 is expensive for the dog if it's going to be as good as the breeders websites say, which was my main reason for posting.
Your comment was right below mine on about the only people who would buy a dog is for the money off breeding. The last comment wasn't not meant like that, was more of a dig at you, but I think iv taking you the wrong way which is easily done on this site, I thought you where insinuating I was only getting a dog for the money of pups.
That's exactly what im saying mate, imo its all a sales pitch! they might work, they might work well but they can NOT guarantee you irs going to work at all! If that was the case id be the first to buy one, but like any other dog, you pay your money and take the chance! but i know i wouldnt be to pleased about paying 650 for a dog that doesnt cut it
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Can't understand why people are scared to try something, and you'd think people had to sell there granny to make a wage on this website! Wonder how much a black dog would cost if they weren't everywhere!!!
If you want a black dog then get one, I fancy trying something new for a change, it's about time with all these black dogs just getting bred left right and centre then being sold as top worker to worker pups ect, 800 euro or 650 quid isn't to bad for something that's a lot different to your standard uk earthdog bought from the right breeders overseas you can guarantee that the bloodline will have come from solid workers which have been tested on all game...that's my reason! Not because I want to waste time that I could be at work breeding a few pups... No everyone is a scumbag struggling to make a few quid.
why people are scared to try something they know little about? its cost's a bomb and is definetly not guaranteed to work any better than what i have now no matter what you think! i work hard for my money and am not about to start throwing it about on the offchance of getting a decent dog! if you want to do that, you choice! i never have bought a terrier and doubt i ever will as i have mates with dogs that work hard and are tested all season, and have seen with my own eyes work! i have nothing against you trying something new, just i dont see the point if you have decent dogs about you already. and whats the last comment all about? if you havent got money to waste your a scumbag?
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ive read abit about them, still cant understand why! so please enlighten me kass? do they work reliably to a higher standard than a good example off working stock of any other terrier breed?
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cant understand why ANYBODY who is serious into working there terriers would pay 800 for a jadg when they could get a good black dog in this country for a fraction of the price! the only possible reason is to breed and make £££££££
Thats mabey cuz your not serious into working terriers ,,,
why's that kass? what makes jadgs any better than a good tested line of any other breed we already have in this country and makes them worth the money? can you guarantee they will work and work to a better standard than what we already have?
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cant understand why ANYBODY who is serious into working there terriers would pay 800 for a jadg when they could get a good black dog in this country for a fraction of the price! the only possible reason is to breed and make £££££££
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they can't have their 2nd until they are 12 weeks...no matter what age they had their 1st
my mate usually jabs mine, but vet done my new pup 8 weeks and 10 weeks
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Benellisupernova. . What do you mean " doubt hed let you have one"?? Maybe im reading it wrong but it looks to me like an advert to punt them.
Pernod
cause he sound like an idiot!
Old Plummer Terriers
in Earthdogs & Working Terriers
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I personally wouldn't be happy with having terriers bushing on land unless i knew it very well! Me & a few mates have had terriers drop into horrible places like this and lost a couple between us, but if you know the land... no worries i suppose
id prefer something a little larger, hound cross or something... saying that we had a couple of beagles which were dug to a few times! 