thanks wirral countryman for your honest reply i have a friend who as plummers who as been out on various digs with me,credit where credits due,they wil find there quarry,but they wont stay [bANNED TEXT] the going gets tough example when the fox wont bolt,which doesnt go down wel where i do pest control,it needs 2 be despatched as quickly as possible,sometimes these digs can take hrs,which is something i dont think a plummer is capable of doing by [bANNED TEXT] ive seen on many occasions,i have lakie types which i can work week in week out to fox, my bitches arnt hard and dont take much punish