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AFT-Some places they run coyotes look like there is no place to hide (praires/flatlands) but not all places we run coyotes look like that. (sandhills/high desert) As mentioned, even when it looks like there is no place to hide, they will find a spot, and often times what looks flat from a distance really isnt. The flatter the land, the faster the coyotes, IMO. loftmonkey-Yes, that was "Grace" She was probably my once in a lifetime dog. Hares to Bears she did it all! Thanks for the regards. SUNDAYBAIN-I have used decoy dogs, and have slipped lurchers when calling, but neither was as eff
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STUNTMAN-I think everybody knows the Latino ALWAYS has the advantage in a knife fight...pretend or otherwise... Indiana-Do NOT encourage him... Take care.
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Dan-I do agree that many of the best "coyote dogs" will not make great "hare/jackrabbit" dogs. Truth is many dont show much interest after a season of coyotes. From the little I have seen/heard from the hare hunters, the type dog they use is different than many coyote hunters prefer. Smaller, lighter framed, lots of distance. A blend of Saluki type blood seems popular, where the hare hunting is more an endurance test than a speed/agility test. The terrain here makes hare hunting more a quickness game, IMO, but I have never been serious about them, and just let my pups grow up chasing them and
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The make up of most stags is Greyhound, Deerhound, and Wolfhound, IMO. Most are no where near a first cross, and many cant trace their roots back far enough to find a "purebred" of any kind. Some have had a dash of outside blood ie...bull, airedale, hound, pointer etc...but most have then had that bred way down. These dogs are bred for performance, not looks. A litter can give you 65-95lbs, smooth haired-shaggy, black-white, pups with very little in commen but the inbred desire to hate coyotes. I have some 3/4 stag 1/4 bull pups at the moment that I have high hopes for, but know there is a g
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There seems to be bit of confusion amongst some of the posters, so I will try to clear it up for those that have never hunted coyotes or wolves with dogs. I have stated before I consider MYSELF a Bulldog man first and foremost, and my favorite dog was a 1/2 cross bullstag. She was not however the prototype for the perfect coyote dog, IMO, and I would have probably missed 3/4 of the coyotes we caught this year (over 100) if I would have had to depend only on a set (3 dogs) of dogs just like her. First, having dogs capable of KILLING coyotes is NOT the hardest part of making a "coyote dog"!
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Dan-I have addressed most of what has been written already. I cant imagine there is a dog that could take our wolf solo, and believe it would take some awful good ones to even handle one as a set (3 dogs). Most folks have never actually seen a grown wolf here, and fewer still have seen what they can do to a dog. I have seen both. When you go to a pack of hounds at a bear tree and all you find are the hounds skull, spine and tracking collars...then you will understand the killing power. A wolf apart from its pack is not the same animal as one working with its pack, IMO, but still far more than
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dirtwinger-Im in SW Idaho. I hunt coyotes, but let the dogs run jacks every now and then. Take care.
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dirtwinger-Very nice. Do you hunt coyotes as well with those dogs? Take care.
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Tracking systems, hunting dogs...
UphillDoc replied to dogs-n-natives's topic in Lurchers & Running Dogs
DnN-We use locating collars on the hounds here in the Western US quite a bit. The two types telemetry (wildlife, quick track, johnson etc...) and now the new Garmin GPS system. I have very little personal expierience with the new Garmin system, but all reports from others I know have been its worth every penny! The one concern was would it be able to get signal in dense woods, or in steep canyons, but have not heard that being a problem from the folks I know that have it now. If your hand held GPS gets a signal where you hunt, than the new system is the way to go, IMO. Take care. -
merrihunter-Thats a nice video and the dogs did well to close in that rocky, hilly ground. I dont know anything about Sloughi but that looked very similar to a coyote race...lol Are those dogs more distance dogs or speed dogs? How do they fight? How big are those dogs? Take care.
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hairybull-Thanks, she is quite a dog. She is 2 1/2 yrs old and is due to have pups from the black dog "Zorro" (red collar) the last week of Jan. It will be her first litter. whin-where will you be? chip-The hides bring some money, but we do not have a bounty at this time. The bountys vary from place to place and time to time. The pay off for us is access to the land and the ability to sort thru our dogs. Take care.
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The fawn bitch is a bull x stag. Most dont use bull blood or very little (1/4-1/16) as the good stag blood does not need any more than that. IMO, the bull blood does have benefit in these dogs, but isnt neccesary in many. I plan to always have some in MY dogs. Take care.
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scotsman-As Kye mentioned both the fawn bitch "Grace" and the black male "Zorro" (red collar) can handle them solo. I prefer to run dogs doubled and to let them sort it out themselves, as thats the best way to sort out dogs, IMO. I do sometimes run a pup (10-14mo) with the older pair to teach it the game, but after a few catches, I put them with just one other dog and see if they make the grade or not. Running dogs "mobbed handed" is done because often times more than one coyote is lifted at the same time, and sometimes several in a day. Coyotes are considered pests here and the land owners
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Rocks-That pretty much sums it up. Yesterday "Cookie" got bit thru the muzzle, clear thru into her mouth, but kept trying hard. The two dogs being bred are as rough as I have ever seen, yet usually are the least marked... Also, a dog that catches by the ass, usually has a head full of holes...the white dog is an ass grabber and is thin skinned as well. She helps the least, but almost always looks the worst...LOL Take care.
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Tyla-The throat damage was done by one gyp, "Emma". (She isnt pictured, but was the one that got caught by the coyote twice in the story) She can really put her mouth down. Your partially right about the dogs not being too nicked up. The real good kill dogs can often times get to the throat without too much stick. Often times, it seems the dogs that arent fully committed to the task, are the ones that wear the most scars. Those dogs in the pics have all bled for the cause, but I dont normally take pics of them banged up, and when they do get caught, Im real handy with a thread and needle...
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Thanks fellas, glad you liked it. We are still laughing about it today... Take care.
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Ty and I head over to pick up the Cowboy and his son for a morning of coyote hunting. The Cowboy has talked to one of the sheepherders and gotten permission to run the dogs out where he has his sheep. He tells of a bunch of coyotes being there, but isnt real clear on how to get out to where the sheep are now. On our way out we spot a coyote out on a rise and plunge off the road after it. This coyote is not wasting any time looking over its shoulder for us. It has its head down and is running like its ass is on fire. Im driving the truck like its stolen though, and we are making up some ground.
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Rocks-Good to see the dogs. I like the look of that Mindy and Stich. Has Jack started to act interested in going yet? Blue is growing like a weed and will start going along real soon. Take care.
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His Wife-They almost always run "Bo" with the jacket. His owner likes to be able to indentify him easily. Its hard to tell them apart sometimes at the distances and speeds they are moving, when you have more than one dog colored the same. Take care.
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Simoman-As Dan said, their stamina combined with their speed is what seperates them from most dogs. When you have seen one run full out with a truck for 2-3 miles and then still out run the dogs, you will be a believer. Those that are fast enough or have enough wind to catch one then still have to deal with the little wolf, and thats when you find out what your feeding... Truely the triple threat... They are still run off horseback here. Especially when pushing cows. The coyotes are used to seeing the horses, and sometimes must think the dogs are just stock dogs and dont leave out hard unt
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victor-Its not uncommen for the stags to split and each take their own coyote in a race, but we dont normally drop just one dog at a time. loftmonkey-"Hotblood" means a dog off the racing track. Most have all the speed a fella needs, but are far from being "coyote dogs" They dont handle the rough ground well, they dont fight well, and they are not near durable enough, but crossed on the right stag blood they can give you an extra gear. Take care.
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Stormrider-Most the coyotes range between 20-40lbs. There are 40-60lb coyotes caught every year, but they are not as commen. The middle coyote in pic #6 was almost 50lbs. We also have wolves here that run 100-150+lbs...its illegal to run them though... Shanehound-There was a fella from WY that hunted deerhounds on coyote. Dont know if any were kennel club registered, but I have seen some of their offspring crossed on stag blood and they get it done! Many stags here show so much "deerhound" that few would argue the blood is heavy in them. Take care.
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merle24-The vehicles are used to flush the coyotes in the open and to be able to have a ringside seat for the race/fight. We dont use guns when running the stags, hell I dont even carry one when Im bear and Mtn Lion hunting... Coyotes are hunted from both helicopters and planes here, and I know a couple folks that have used them to flush coyotes to the dogs...LOL We usually run 3 dogs to a side. I like to run 2 seasoned dogs and a pup. Many times there is more than one coyote and more dogs means better chance at catching more than one. Its not uncommen for a coyote to seperate one dog from
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Here is a little description of one of the races. We head back to the wheel line country and each start to take a road. "Capps" calls and says he has one spotted. Its eating on a dead sheep, but in a bad spot to try to get a drop. "Jasshole" comes over on the motorcyle and we come up with a plan for him to circle wide around it and try to push it out to where one of us can get a drop. "Hayhound and I swing wide behind him while "Capps and Workman" go ahead to watch for it to come out in front. We are flying thru the middle of some wheel lines and the coyote breaks ahead of us. We get to a
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Thanks fellas, hope you enjoy seeing the pics almost as much as we had making them. dan-I wouldnt feed a dog that couldnt/wouldnt smash a fox single handed. ferret-Only one of the dogs in those pics carries any bull blood. The good stags are plenty tough, they dont need any bull blood, and thats saying something cause Im a bulldog man thru and thru! artic-The space under the big box is where the terrier rides. The doors on the big box are opened from inside the vehicle, when the dogs spot a coyote in the open ground. The dogs then try to run it down and we follow in the vehicle i
