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"I`ve always imagined that these would make a good daytime bushing / ferreting dog.... But perhaps to scent reliant for a lamping dog....
please feel free to correct me if i`me wrong..."
Mars..
Yes I think there'd be many better dogs suited to lamping, but I reckon you could if needed to.
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If I can find a link theres a bloke on youtube who's put up a few clips of his springer x whippet, tiny bit of bedlington in it as well...give you some idea. I'll try and do it later......I think in the earlier clips it's only about 6 months old.How does that springer lurcher work? Wanted to see one working for a while
Search tyke471 on youtube.....not great quality vids but shows his young bitch
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I don't work areas that have an abundance of rabbits etc, so If I don't have dogs that actively look hard for game I don't tend to see much. So that's why I searched out a springer cross hoping it would have that natural drive to hunt out game, but with a bit of speed.
She's about 14 months now and is a lovely dog to own. She covers a lot of area much more than my other little lurcher and works at a quicker rate......although as a result needs to get her breath back more often than the other, both got very different hunting styles.
I bought her soley as a daytime mooching dog and this is where she excels. Shes more heavily built than my whippet/bedlington x collie/ grey/whip and is not as quick and can't turn as sharply, although she can shift and turn not to bad. She's very obedient and bright.
Take into account her dam was a gamekeepers springer and sire was a big lurcher.......I was told greyhound,,,,but it wasn't, so really she's less than half sight hound.
Day and night walker.....I think it all depends on what type of hunting you enjoy doing the most and type of land you have access to. A big part of the thrill for me is when I get to see one of the lurchers chase something which in most cases the terrier may have bolted....so I personally would opt for a nice little lurcher...... One of my favourite pass times Is thinking what dog I'll get next years down the line.
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Enough obedience as not to spoil my day out.
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There's lots of cover you get to know over time that rarely if ever holds anything.......I'm pretty sure dogs pick up on this as well....tending to head to the spots that more likely to hold scent.......for instance the walk through one of the woods I go holds hardly anything and my russell just trots along the path.
Why want a dog that works all cover.......I would favour a bushing dog isn't going to blindly work all cover.....a dog that doesn't work all cover will miss the odd thing are two....obviously, but will still end up putting more game up than one that does work all cover.....given the amount of time it will waste.
As long as mine gives the little run a sniff that I've pointed out then that keeps me happy.
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I don't think any whippet x terrier cross makes an out an out busher, but if you after a little mooching dog that will hunt very well I would be tempted with a little springer lurcher.
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no terrier just 1 small lurcher
Springer x whippet....1st choice if not something on the lines of
Bedlington x whippet.........Border x whippet etc
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I feel your pain. If I was in your shoes I would pm Wirral countryman...he seems very knowledgeable regarding the breed, has worked them for a long time and has there best interests at heart......( I would if it was me). Its a breed I have considered in the past, but it definitely seems a breed that you do really need to do your homework with......I have seen some massive plummer terriers and some that seem a bit too dog aggressive for my liking. There is no subsitute for watching them work and many a breeder of them will only want to point out there good points over the phone and take your cash.
Have you considered all your other options?
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My little jack is now eleven, but is still working well. She just follows her nose where there is a scent, but I do point bits out for her to check....she by no means works all the cover I point out unless she picks up a scent, but to assume there is nothing in cover because she doesn't go in ain't always true in her case.
She's very vocal on a fresh scent and knows it draws the other dogs to her..... I see her do this quite often in open woodland.
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Ive heard some dogs tend to work all cover regardless, for example........springers, whereas others may only work it if they know there's something there.....I've heard cockers are more prone to.
Just wondering what your experiences are of this with the breeds of dogs you've bushed with and what your preferences are.
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Wouldn't be my first choice for bushing......... Or second or third choice for that matter, but saying that dosn't matter what my choice would be. No reason why you shouldn't make a good worker of one, sooner have a little jack though.
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TP,im nearly in agreement with you,yet,the best bushing jukel ive ever owned,a Bedlington,did it on her own for at least 4 seasons,circumstances and her reluctance to let a dog service her dictated.She was a one dog bushing crew that managed to put more in front of the lurchers than anything else ive ever had the fortune to see,ive a full team now,the majority bred directly from her,finally,yet even as a team,as bushing should be,the old lass managed solo.Sometimes people do not have the luxury of a crew and still manage to shift things about with a solo artiste.
Morton do you have any pics of your dogs, always been curious about bedlingtons and their hybrids.
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Never seen a pure one work seen a few crosses with border in which were handy.
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Although I love Old style jack russells they can suffer from luxating patella's. One of mine had to have a op to fix it the other just got better with rest, although not perfect. I often thought the little bitch of mine had a little look as if she might have had some dauschund in her.
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I've worked plenty of small terriers and they struggle bushing, especially in the snow with their d^cks dragging in the snow, any leggy terrier is better than messing about with different breeds, there's plenty of pure choices that will breed true to type so why f*ck about, WM
I must admit when I got my bitch I did wonder if her little size would hinder her, but 11 years on I can honestly say her size for the land I cover has proven to be ideal. She stands at ten inch. I can however understand how a long short dog would struggle more, mines very compact.
The other thing to point out with mine is that she works at a steady pace even her sprint is slow......, this may not be for everyone, but over time I've seen the advantages of this style of worker.
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The longer the legs I've had on my terriers the more bleeding I've had, also my prickly eared little bitch would bleed. My old little Jack rarely if ever bleeds. She occasionally gets a poorly eye which will half close, but this will clear up in a day or two.
I personally prefer a slow bushing dog, which my current bitch is, I think this also contributes to less injury to the dog.
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top class terrier is on a par with any spaniel or hound cross...of course they will go to ground.
thats a bonus not a fault,
Each to their own. Its the last thing I want in a rabbit bushing terrier.top class terrier is on a par with any spaniel or hound cross...of course they will go to ground.
thats a bonus not a fault,
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WM.....cheers for that......11-12" is a nice size for a bitch, I do prefer the small type terriers.....just seem naturally suited to working bramble runs. I went to a plummer terrier show a few years back in rotherham and the size variation was quite apparent......just got big soft spot for the traditional little jrt size type.
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Size has it made Willow?
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WM, what size do your bitches make and do you still find much size variation in your pups? I was talking to a fella in the woods the other day who had a rescued plummer....it was a weird looking, very leggy and a elongated face, bit like fox terriers face.
Do you see many that are more like the old size Jack russels?
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Poor old hancock always gets a hard time. Maybe a puppy farmer, but he does a better job than most.
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Bitches usually taller, but saying that some of mike browns stuff is very tall, too tall really it's getting away from everything that's good about a whippet, you might aswell look for a small Grey bitch, a small whippet bitch 18" will have prey drive through the roof and be as good on rats as terriers and the best on Bunnys, mine don't do jumping you could teach them but when it goes wrong it's a trip to the vets, better to just lift them over or lift bottom of fence and teach them too go under,
Lovely looking bitch
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Thats the type of russell i really like but you don't see as many about today. By the way has their workrate changed over the years ie were they more frantic when they were younger like my one is now and also how was there recall and if it was bad did it improve with age as i'm hoping mine will. atb wyang daywalker.This pic is from 2009..... bitch on the left passed two years back, little bitch on right nearly 11 and still working well. She's always worked at a really steady pace which suits me nice. Fits in the bramble perfectly.
I'll post a more recent pic when I get chance.
Hi daywalker......the jack on the left pic went through a pain in the neck phase when she was late puppy to about a year and a half of age......especially if she figured out I was on the way back to the car......she'd peg it across a field totally ignoring me...used to pull my hair out...thinking it could only happen to me, she did gradually calm down when out and became a pleasure to work.....very obedient, loyal and clever.
The bitch on the right is the most laid back house dog you could wish for. Always been a very steady worker, slow pace of work especially compared to some others I see. She's never been really head strong and does come back quite well, but if there's a big patch of bramble with plenty of rabbits about I will have to go and get her or keep shouting/ whistling and she'll probably be back in ten mins, likewise if there's something in a wall she will stay there with it waiting for me. Overall she's very obedient and her slow pace certainly helps me keep a track of her. I do think they tend to push there luck more when there younger though. atb wuyang
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This pic is from 2009..... bitch on the left passed two years back, little bitch on right nearly 11 and still working well. She's always worked at a really steady pace which suits me nice. Fits in the bramble perfectly.
I'll post a more recent pic when I get chance.
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Fluxating Patella Advice Please
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How's the dog gone on?