The howa 223 is definately the one I am going to go for, it looks the bees and I have heard very little in the way of negativity towards it compared with the tikkas, maybe a cheap cz will tempt me but i already have a cz and would like to try something a bit different. Are there any god recommendations for second hand shotguns and what sort of price range? Are there any particualr makes i should steer clear of aswell? Thanks again guys