RIOHH 30 Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 Hi all been having a discusion with a few friends about the extent you should man a falcon. one says as soon as its sitting on the fist and hoooding your ready to get it feeding off the lure even though it will rip yourfinger off when you try and touch it. I say it shouold feed off the fist and be steady enough for you to touch before you introduce the lure and the other one says you should mann it the same as you would a hawk. what are our lots opinions on this. Quote Link to post
jasper65 6 Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 Hi all been having a discusion with a few friends about the extent you should man a falcon. one says as soon as its sitting on the fist and hoooding your ready to get it feeding off the lure even though it will rip yourfinger off when you try and touch it. I say it shouold feed off the fist and be steady enough for you to touch before you introduce the lure and the other one says you should mann it the same as you would a hawk. what are our lots opinions on this. Its funny mate as I was having a conversation about this a couple of weeks back on the phone! personally I don't think you can over mann any P/R bird as lets face it Imprinted Falcons are silly tame and still get the job done no problem when entered, its just a case or arrousing some birds Killer Instincts with different methods. I think I can see what you mates are saying as some birds do tend to take alot of entering expecially with falcons Flying corvids which have perhaps been manned to death and done alot of lure work, a good balance between the two and entered quickly is a good comprimise although a well manned bird is a joy to handle which will come with flying.... Just my opinion Jasper Quote Link to post
graham01 1 Posted December 14, 2008 Report Share Posted December 14, 2008 I like to be able to touch any bird without it wanting to kill me before i start to train it,but it doesnt have to be bomb proof.I think steadiness comes with working with the bird and the trust is pushed on greatly during the training period.Once any bird realises you are there every time its fed it overcomes most things,plus falcons dont hurt as much when they foot you!! now its just that bolt cropper of a beak to be wary of lol Quote Link to post
Blake 2 Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 i had 2 parent reared birds flying free 9 days after coming out of pen this season, they man up as you progress with flying. Its better to get them out hunting or a least on carcasses as soon as possible so that the falcon doesn't get switched onto the falconer as mummy. They dont need manning like a hawk, because they dont fly to the fist repeatedly, it is just one flight and back to a lure. Quote Link to post
MiLisCer 1 Posted December 16, 2008 Report Share Posted December 16, 2008 ,plus falcons dont hurt as much when they foot you!! now its just that bolt cropper of a beak to be wary of lol You are welcome to be footed by my Per/prairie if you like - she has a grip better than any HH. Mike Quote Link to post
CJT 0 Posted January 11, 2009 Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 (edited) ,plus falcons dont hurt as much when they foot you!! now its just that bolt cropper of a beak to be wary of lol You are welcome to be footed by my Per/prairie if you like - she has a grip better than any HH. Mike Id agree with you here Mike , prairies are indeed exceptionaly powerfull falcons , comes from the habitat in which they inhabit , they are possibly more powerfull than a harris in foot power...............on the manning a falcon , i actually think much of the tameness with falcons comes once your flying them regular , there is no need what so ever to " man " a falcon as you would a hawk , their natures are completely different...often you find that lads moving on to their first falcon from hawks get fixated in the manning regime , but in honesty ,youl find its not needed....col Edited January 11, 2009 by CJT Quote Link to post
jasper65 6 Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 Id agree with you here Mike , prairies are indeed exceptionaly powerfull falcons , comes from the habitat in which they inhabit , they are possibly more powerfull than a harris in foot power...............on the manning a falcon , i actually think much of the tameness with falcons comes once your flying them regular , there is no need what so ever to " man " a falcon as you would a hawk , their natures are completely different...often you find that lads moving on to their first falcon from hawks get fixated in the manning regime , but in honesty ,youl find its not needed....col I had 3 Pere x Prairies in the past and although Highly underrated birds I don't think that either a male or a female has quite the crushing grip asociated with a male or female Harrishawk.... Falcons mainly kill with their beak and administer the coupe de grace this way! Nature built them that way. Hawks/broadwings obviousley have broad thick toes design for maiximum power and grip to hold and disable their quarry as much as possible.... here's the last P/R Pere x Prairie I flew trimming her to the lure! you can just see the edge of the Landfill at the back of one of the fields where she spent most of her flying time.... Jasper Quote Link to post
stollen 0 Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 Very nice pics jasper, did you breed the pere/prairie ? Quote Link to post
jasper65 6 Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 Very nice pics jasper, did you breed the pere/prairie ? Hows it going stollen . The first Pere x Prairie I brought was in 95 off Brian Bevan in Bedford, this one was the smallest and very Prairie looking with the wedge shaped head and big eyes but had bottle with a capital B, she died from Lead poisening . the next one came off Brian a couple of years later but didn't hit the dizzy heights like the first one. the last one in the picture came from some lads in stoke on trent in 2000 and the biggest of the 3 and more Peregrine than the rest and a bit of a vegetarian , she was fine at first but came unstuck on some crows on the landfill and never took another. Probably a bit of Big Willy syndrome there which was my fault as I looked in the aviary and picked the biggest! looking at her you could see she carried more peregrine genes and lacked the same aggresion as the previouse birds..... cheers Jasper Quote Link to post
stollen 0 Posted January 15, 2009 Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 (edited) Hows it going stollen . The first Pere x Prairie I brought was in 95 off Brian Bevan in Bedford, this one was the smallest and very Prairie looking with the wedge shaped head and big eyes but had bottle with a capital B, she died from Lead poisening . the next one came off Brian a couple of years later but didn't hit the dizzy heights like the first one. the last one in the picture came from some lads in stoke on trent in 2000 and the biggest of the 3 and more Peregrine than the rest and a bit of a vegetarian , she was fine at first but came unstuck on some crows on the landfill and never took another. Probably a bit of Big Willy syndrome there which was my fault as I looked in the aviary and picked the biggest! looking at her you could see she carried more peregrine genes and lacked the same aggresion as the previouse birds..... cheers Jasper Thanks for the reply Jasper thats a very nice looking falcon. Edited September 24, 2009 by stollen Quote Link to post
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