One Man and his Bike.

[Freddy Watts 1]

I can see an age old debate comming on here. I have only briefly used a .177 and it was quite a time ago so I can't really comment on its "knock down power" as BBB puts it. All I know is that I don't think I would like a bit of lead of any size lodged in my brain. Do you .177 shooters out there have much trouble with "runners" for lack of a better word. I know that .22 shooters do still have the odd one but that is normally due to a missplaced shot.

 

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Freddy

[BBB 7]

i'v used both calibers. and now for me 22 has better stopping power. i noticed on fur and feather when shot with a 177 you get more fly 'n' die with pigeons ,crows ect and rabbits aswell either run on or can lay there lookin dead, but not be.. i shot a half dozen rabbits one night with a 177 hw80 all head shot's , all picked up and bagged, seemingly dead . got home emptied the bag 2 rabbits were still alive, although they were skull fecked and basically paralised. they were alive and breathing. i think a 22 cause more trauma, more broken bones, and more uuummp . and realy knock's the wing outta their sail's JMO

[ellir0305 9]

i'v used both calibers. and now for me 22 has better stopping power. i noticed on fur and feather when shot with a 177 you get more fly 'n' die with pigeons ,crows ect and rabbits aswell either run on or can lay there lookin dead, but not be.. i shot a half dozen rabbits one night with a 177 hw80 all head shot's , all picked up and bagged, seemingly dead . got home emptied the bag 2 rabbits were still alive, although they were skull fecked and basically paralised. they were alive and breathing. i think a 22 cause more trauma, more broken bones, and more uuummp . and realy knock's the wing outta their sail's JMO

 

thats why you should neck any animal shot, snared etc when you pick up (obviously not deer and other large animals as that would be impossible) but i gives piece of mind and stops a stunned one coming round and crawling off , same with shotgunned birds

[Sorley x 32]

Regardless of calibre I wouldn't accept a 40% wounding rate. If it was me I'd be having a serious look at what I was doing. I dont have the conscience to put up with that many woundings. Mind you that might just be me.

[ellir0305 9]

Regardless of calibre I wouldn't accept a 40% wounding rate. If it was me I'd be having a serious look at what I was doing. I dont have the conscience to put up with that many woundings. Mind you that might just be me.

 

it shouldnt be the point of rifle shooting is one shot, one kill just like deerhunter lol if you cant make a kill shot dont make one at all i will admit when i first started shooting i probably wounded more rabbits than i killed but that was wrong and i learnt, i think shooting a rimmy with the farmer helped me with this two and reinforced the ethics and safety aspects of shooting. respect whatever you hunt even if its a rat it deserves a humane and fast death

[Freddy Watts 1]

i'v used both calibers. and now for me 22 has better stopping power. i noticed on fur and feather when shot with a 177 you get more fly 'n' die with pigeons ,crows ect and rabbits aswell either run on or can lay there lookin dead, but not be.. i shot a half dozen rabbits one night with a 177 hw80 all head shot's , all picked up and bagged, seemingly dead . got home emptied the bag 2 rabbits were still alive, although they were skull fecked and basically paralised. they were alive and breathing. i think a 22 cause more trauma, more broken bones, and more uuummp . and realy knock's the wing outta their sail's JMO

 

Sounds like its a good job I am considering another .22 as my next rifle. I know there are some benefits to .177 but i am too chicken to buy something that i don't know much about. Maybe I need to find someone who has one so i can try it out. Can hardly remember mine it was soo long ago.

 

Regardless of calibre I wouldn't accept a 40% wounding rate. If it was me I'd be having a serious look at what I was doing. I dont have the conscience to put up with that many woundings. Mind you that might just be me.

 

it shouldnt be the point of rifle shooting is one shot, one kill just like deerhunter lol if you cant make a kill shot dont make one at all i will admit when i first started shooting i probably wounded more rabbits than i killed but that was wrong and i learnt, i think shooting a rimmy with the farmer helped me with this two and reinforced the ethics and safety aspects of shooting. respect whatever you hunt even if its a rat it deserves a humane and fast death

 

Not sure deerhunter is quite te same but i guess it is a fair comparison as in both you are going for a clean kill. However in deerhunter its just for points whereas here in the real world it is for the purpose of being humane. Same thing applies though, 1 shot 1 kill.

 

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Freddy

[BBB 7]

i'v used both calibers. and now for me 22 has better stopping power. i noticed on fur and feather when shot with a 177 you get more fly 'n' die with pigeons ,crows ect and rabbits aswell either run on or can lay there lookin dead, but not be.. i shot a half dozen rabbits one night with a 177 hw80 all head shot's , all picked up and bagged, seemingly dead . got home emptied the bag 2 rabbits were still alive, although they were skull fecked and basically paralised. they were alive and breathing. i think a 22 cause more trauma, more broken bones, and more uuummp . and realy knock's the wing outta their sail's JMO

 

thats why you should neck any animal shot, snared etc when you pick up (obviously not deer and other large animals as that would be impossible) but i gives piece of mind and stops a stunned one coming round and crawling off , same with shotgunned birds

yep i do neck em as a matter of coarse but on the night in question. we were shootin out the car. and the rabbits were picked up by the gun dog [ a young lad we took along to pick up] he just picked em and threw em in the boot. but this aswell as a fair few fly 'n' die pigeons put me off 177. to me it has no real advantage over 22..

[Freddy Watts 1]

Fair point. I think the motto of that story is if the gun doesn't feel right to you, then don't shoot it.

 

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Freddy

[Timelord 0]

Lot's of good points and debates going on here I see but for me .177 in sub 12ft/lb will always be the best choice for me. Pellet placement is the key and a top quality rifle to deliver it with pure accuracy as well. If I ever go .22 then it will have to be FAC pushing 30-40ft/lb

[elvolcan 0]

Yeah in sub 12flt/lbs a .177 is still quite accurate

 

the .22 pellet at only 12ft/lbs can suffer a bit ithink

 

 

 

 

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[Timelord 0]

Yeah in sub 12flt/lbs a .177 is still quite accurate

 

the .22 pellet at only 12ft/lbs can suffer a bit ithink

 

 

 

 

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Agreed mate 600 fps in .22 vs 800 fps in .177 is a big difference I've seen magpies litterally duck from an incoming .22 pellet at sub 12ft/lb I like my pellets to arrive fast and in the right place to make a clean kill...

[Freddy Watts 1]

OOO. Now I am tempted. They have always been my reasons for wanting to get a .177 but I am too tempted to stick with what I know. Oh well I will let you all kow what I think if i manage to get hold of a .177 to try.

 

Those maggies are just too darn clever sometimes.

 

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Freddy

[BBB 7]

hey timelord ..you must have matrix maggies livin near you i'v shot hundreds over the years using a 22 and have never seen one quick enough to avoid my slug.

[Freddy Watts 1]

Now i am just imagining magpies pulling of matrix style flips etc to avoid being shot. Maybe his name was neo. I do however believe what Timelord says as he is not a lier so if he saw it duck regardless of whether it was due to the pellet coming its way or not I believe that it ducked.

 

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Freddy

[BBB 7]

not callin him a liar, just sayin i never seen it the only time i'v seen birds duck is when the shot has missed gone over the top . and the hiss of the slug has startled the bird.