Brimmer 220 Posted April 17, 2009 Report Share Posted April 17, 2009 If the kitts go in all guns blazing on whatever they stumble on , then you stand a chance, if they come out , pissing about after a few tries, they are no better than pet fodder. Get rid, get without. Ferreting as we know it is losing out when half arsed ferrets are bieng used. MESSERS WILL DEFEND THE CRAP, THEY DON'T USE THEM! Quote Link to post
jenksi87 3 Posted April 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2009 If the kitts go in all guns blazing on whatever they stumble on , then you stand a chance, if they come out , pissing about after a few tries, they are no better than pet fodder. Get rid, get without. Ferreting as we know it is losing out when half arsed ferrets are bieng used. MESSERS WILL DEFEND THE CRAP, THEY DON'T USE THEM! like i said though its hard to cum across a worker that someone is willing to let go. and likes been said its good to know if there doing the job properly by checking with one. i was talking to a kid near me and he reckons chucking a live rabbit in hutch wi em will sort em out. they either kill it or get kicked to f**k. either way there gunna know wat to do next time they cum across one. ?? Quote Link to post
Guest gaz100604 Posted April 17, 2009 Report Share Posted April 17, 2009 well i think there is good and bad ferrets just like everything else but i do believe that managing the ferrets weight is a must... if you bring them out and there over fed with most of them not getting any excercise they become over weight and less likely to do the biz.. alot of people think there ferrets are no good and get rid and sometoimes its the simple fact that there fat ferrets... you might think im daft but have been doing it for years and when there at there right weight which i always call flying weight as regarding birds of prey then they 99% of the time work well.... not have them starving near death or anything but slim and a bit hungry i always find thats best... i think with this way age does not matter too much.. i have a medium sized hob at the minute and started him this season at 16 weeks old and on the first day had 10 rabbits with him.. he bolted atleast 10 more but i dont use nets,just bolt for the lurchers so 10 got away that day... most week we were averaging 10 rabbits a trip but had some mid teens to low 20 ies too with this ferret... not bad for using no nets all season we kept him at his fighting weight and he never dissapointed in the field...bolting well over 40 rabbits on some of our outings... so what im really trying to say is to get them at there fighting weight before you get rid of them Quote Link to post
Brimmer 220 Posted April 17, 2009 Report Share Posted April 17, 2009 (edited) If the kitts go in all guns blazing on whatever they stumble on , then you stand a chance, if they come out , pissing about after a few tries, they are no better than pet fodder. Get rid, get without. Ferreting as we know it is losing out when half arsed ferrets are bieng used. MESSERS WILL DEFEND THE CRAP, THEY DON'T USE THEM! like i said though its hard to cum across a worker that someone is willing to let go. and likes been said its good to know if there doing the job properly by checking with one. i was talking to a kid near me and he reckons chucking a live rabbit in hutch wi em will sort em out. they either kill it or get kicked to f**k. either way there gunna know wat to do next time they cum across one. ?? Good workers are not let go, you may end up lucky if someone is giving them up, getting kits from good working stock, you'll stand a good chance. Go to the lads that are in it for the long haul, and tell them what you want. Chucking live quarry in the cage with no means of escape is near barbaric, wait till sept and try them out. Edited April 18, 2009 by Brimmer Quote Link to post
jenksi87 3 Posted April 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2009 "Go to the lads that are in it for the l"ong haul, and tell them what you want." meaning who? Quote Link to post
jenksi87 3 Posted April 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2009 well i think there is good and bad ferrets just like everything else but i do believe that managing the ferrets weight is a must...if you bring them out and there over fed with most of them not getting any excercise they become over weight and less likely to do the biz.. alot of people think there ferrets are no good and get rid and sometoimes its the simple fact that there fat ferrets... you might think im daft but have been doing it for years and when there at there right weight which i always call flying weight as regarding birds of prey then they 99% of the time work well.... not have them starving near death or anything but slim and a bit hungry i always find thats best... i think with this way age does not matter too much.. i have a medium sized hob at the minute and started him this season at 16 weeks old and on the first day had 10 rabbits with him.. he bolted atleast 10 more but i dont use nets,just bolt for the lurchers so 10 got away that day... most week we were averaging 10 rabbits a trip but had some mid teens to low 20 ies too with this ferret... not bad for using no nets all season we kept him at his fighting weight and he never dissapointed in the field...bolting well over 40 rabbits on some of our outings... so what im really trying to say is to get them at there fighting weight before you get rid of them my ferrets arent fat mate. far from it. they get a couple of hour run aroung the garden each and every day at least. they dont get over-fed or under-fed. its not a case of there weight. there just not interested? Quote Link to post
stealthy1 3,964 Posted April 17, 2009 Report Share Posted April 17, 2009 well i think there is good and bad ferrets just like everything else but i do believe that managing the ferrets weight is a must...if you bring them out and there over fed with most of them not getting any excercise they become over weight and less likely to do the biz.. alot of people think there ferrets are no good and get rid and sometoimes its the simple fact that there fat ferrets... you might think im daft but have been doing it for years and when there at there right weight which i always call flying weight as regarding birds of prey then they 99% of the time work well.... not have them starving near death or anything but slim and a bit hungry i always find thats best... i think with this way age does not matter too much.. i have a medium sized hob at the minute and started him this season at 16 weeks old and on the first day had 10 rabbits with him.. he bolted atleast 10 more but i dont use nets,just bolt for the lurchers so 10 got away that day... most week we were averaging 10 rabbits a trip but had some mid teens to low 20 ies too with this ferret... not bad for using no nets all season we kept him at his fighting weight and he never dissapointed in the field...bolting well over 40 rabbits on some of our outings... so what im really trying to say is to get them at there fighting weight before you get rid of them my ferrets arent fat mate. far from it. they get a couple of hour run aroung the garden each and every day at least. they dont get over-fed or under-fed. its not a case of there weight. there just not interested? What do you feed your ferrets on, purley out of interest? Quote Link to post
jenksi87 3 Posted April 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2009 liver, kidney, hearts and the odd rabbit i shoot. tried mince but there not bothered bout it. occasionally they get an egg or sum milk as a treat. any reason your asking? Quote Link to post
stealthy1 3,964 Posted April 17, 2009 Report Share Posted April 17, 2009 liver, kidney, hearts and the odd rabbit i shoot. tried mince but there not bothered bout it. occasionally they get an egg or sum milk as a treat.any reason your asking? Just wondered if you fed them rabbit, makes a difference if what they are chasing is food to them even if they are not hungry at the time. Quote Link to post
The one 8,594 Posted April 17, 2009 Report Share Posted April 17, 2009 when your getting your kitts go to somebody who works them and i start mine off in pipes in the garden letting the kids play with them it makes them bullet proof and some of the tunnels the kids build can only help the kitts search out a burrow ,i wouldn't worry about the weight of a ferret surely after a summers layoff rabbit some ferrets have to be a bit heavy and it doesn't stopping mine from grafting Quote Link to post
Coneytrappr 30 Posted April 18, 2009 Report Share Posted April 18, 2009 I won't really judge a stinker until it's second season. I've had kits that were complete messers in their first season do a complete turn around in the second and become really good workers. I believe it is their first breeding season that makes the difference- the surge or hormones makes a change and knocks them out of the silly 'kit phase'. Because no matter how tanked up a ferret may be in it's first season, it is essentially a young 'un. Dogs don't reach their full potential before they mature and I don't expect ferrets to either. I suspect that many great ferrets are overlooked due to people judging the first season too harshly- these ferreters may be shooting themselves in their proverbial foot! Quote Link to post
jenksi87 3 Posted April 18, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 18, 2009 i will keep her and try her in the new season but still get sum kits off ferreter.al . i have bin taking her still though to try her on young ens in the hope to get that instict there and get her working hard and properly but no joy. if however she doesnt book up by after xmas then she's going Quote Link to post
j davies 8 Posted April 18, 2009 Report Share Posted April 18, 2009 alrite lad.im only donw road fronm you and i should have some nice kits from hard workers in about a week and a half if thats what your after.im just in rotherham area.pm me if you are interested nice one mate not many around like you mate hope he takes you un on your offer Quote Link to post
Guest gaz100604 Posted April 19, 2009 Report Share Posted April 19, 2009 (edited) well i think there is good and bad ferrets just like everything else but i do believe that managing the ferrets weight is a must...if you bring them out and there over fed with most of them not getting any excercise they become over weight and less likely to do the biz.. alot of people think there ferrets are no good and get rid and sometoimes its the simple fact that there fat ferrets... you might think im daft but have been doing it for years and when there at there right weight which i always call flying weight as regarding birds of prey then they 99% of the time work well.... not have them starving near death or anything but slim and a bit hungry i always find thats best... i think with this way age does not matter too much.. i have a medium sized hob at the minute and started him this season at 16 weeks old and on the first day had 10 rabbits with him.. he bolted atleast 10 more but i dont use nets,just bolt for the lurchers so 10 got away that day... most week we were averaging 10 rabbits a trip but had some mid teens to low 20 ies too with this ferret... not bad for using no nets all season we kept him at his fighting weight and he never dissapointed in the field...bolting well over 40 rabbits on some of our outings... so what im really trying to say is to get them at there fighting weight before you get rid of them my ferrets arent fat mate. far from it. they get a couple of hour run aroung the garden each and every day at least. they dont get over-fed or under-fed. its not a case of there weight. there just not interested? there such a small animial and it can be hard to tell if there even a little over weight.. when they are they can as i have had them rolling about at the entrance of the burrow with not much interest in hunting only to ration their food to give them that killer edge that they need.... i do find it has to be at this level for them to perform at their best in the field...like a bird of prey sometimes will refuse a flight even if there an ounce over weight.. i know you dont have to be that exact with a ferret but do believe and have seen a difference in ferrets at a heavier and fighting weights.. if your ferret is at his fighting weight and not doing the biz regardless of his age then if it was me id get rid of it... for me the waiting for it to mature thing is nonsence but thats only my opinion ps.i have givin this advide to a mate of mine that was having similiar problems and it worked a like a charm. Edited April 19, 2009 by gaz100604 Quote Link to post
jenksi87 3 Posted April 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2009 well i think there is good and bad ferrets just like everything else but i do believe that managing the ferrets weight is a must...if you bring them out and there over fed with most of them not getting any excercise they become over weight and less likely to do the biz.. alot of people think there ferrets are no good and get rid and sometoimes its the simple fact that there fat ferrets... you might think im daft but have been doing it for years and when there at there right weight which i always call flying weight as regarding birds of prey then they 99% of the time work well.... not have them starving near death or anything but slim and a bit hungry i always find thats best... i think with this way age does not matter too much.. i have a medium sized hob at the minute and started him this season at 16 weeks old and on the first day had 10 rabbits with him.. he bolted atleast 10 more but i dont use nets,just bolt for the lurchers so 10 got away that day... most week we were averaging 10 rabbits a trip but had some mid teens to low 20 ies too with this ferret... not bad for using no nets all season we kept him at his fighting weight and he never dissapointed in the field...bolting well over 40 rabbits on some of our outings... so what im really trying to say is to get them at there fighting weight before you get rid of them my ferrets arent fat mate. far from it. they get a couple of hour run aroung the garden each and every day at least. they dont get over-fed or under-fed. its not a case of there weight. there just not interested? there such a small animial and it can be hard to tell if there even a little over weight.. when they are they can as i have had them rolling about at the entrance of the burrow with not much interest in hunting only to ration their food to give them that killer edge that they need.... i do find it has to be at this level for them to perform at their best in the field...like a bird of prey sometimes will refuse a flight even if there an ounce over weight.. i know you dont have to be that exact with a ferret but do believe and have seen a difference in ferrets at a heavier and fighting weights.. if your ferret is at his fighting weight and not doing the biz regardless of his age then if it was me id get rid of it... for me the waiting for it to mature thing is nonsence but thats only my opinion ps.i have givin this advide to a mate of mine that was having similiar problems and it worked a like a charm. ok mate thanks for the advice Quote Link to post
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