lgray88 4 Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 (edited) i have decided to continue on with trying out this long range shooting, well not trying out but taking it up as im sure i will enjoy it i am decided too purchase all the other bits and pieces before makeing a desicion on a rifle yet. , but im looking throught the range of nightforce scopes and I have a few things that i am confused about. i shall jsut list them for easyness. What reticle is most useful to me for long range shooting? What click value will i need as i see most a .250moa (quarter inch at 100yards???) what is MRAD? (something to do with radians??) Zero Stop Function? What range of a elevation and windage adjustment will i need ? i know this varies by caliber but is 110moa elevation and 80moa for wind ample? i think thats all i have for the moment but any help would be much appreciated liam Edited March 24, 2009 by lgray88 Quote Link to post
the Verminator 0 Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 all i can help you with is the moa. 1/8th of an inch is more useful for long range shooting, more precise Quote Link to post
lgray88 4 Posted March 24, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 all i can help you with is the moa. 1/8th of an inch is more useful for long range shooting, more precise well yeh thats what i was thinking the eighth would be more precise but nightforce are a quality product i thought they would have the option of 1/8th clicks liam Quote Link to post
Mr_Logic 5 Posted March 25, 2009 Report Share Posted March 25, 2009 Many people say you need 1/8th clicks, but many people use NIghtforce NXS scopes to win competitions and they have .25MOA clicks. MRAD = milliradian, same technology as mil-dots. Basically if you have a Mildot reticle and MRAD adjustments, you dial in what your reticle says. Makes life much easier and stops you doing maths in your head all the time! If you can get the MRAD one with a mildot ret, do that. Zero stop - a function which allows you to dial back to zero without having to check the scope - you keep dialling back down until you reach the stop. A nice-to-have. Quote Link to post
lgray88 4 Posted March 25, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2009 that zero stop funtion would come in handy when dialling in for longer ranges , bludy good that , i take the its no functional on the windage adjustment though jsut elevation?? Ive been looking at the 5.5-22x56 version with zero stop not sure about the reticle as of yet do you think this would be sufficient enough or should i spend alittle more and get the 8-32 mag version ? liam Quote Link to post
Mr_Logic 5 Posted March 25, 2009 Report Share Posted March 25, 2009 Refresh my memory - how far are you planning on shooting this thing? Plenty of people shoot 22x at 1000 yards so I would think you'd be OK. Regarding reticle, if you can (I couldn't) get one that is the same as your adjustments. So, if you have MRAD adjustments then get mildot or the other mil-based one they do. If you get MOA, they do a couple of good fine MOA rets too. NP2DD is one you love or hate, it's basically just a dot. I'd have loved to get it, but nobody had it at a sensible price. Quote Link to post
lgray88 4 Posted March 25, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2009 (edited) yes it will be 1000yards and if i feel i am capabel to push out further i will put that scope on my .22-250 and get a bigger mag version for it , im a little lost i dont understand how you mean if i get MOA or MRAD? sorry im not picking it up. ah ive jsut looked now i get what you mean, they come in .250 moa or .1 mrad , i think il choose the the MOA turrets easier to work 1" at 100yards than 3.6" at 100yards for MRAD liam Edited March 26, 2009 by lgray88 Quote Link to post
Mr_Logic 5 Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 No it doesn't work like that. Your reticle should work in the same dimensions as your adjustments. For example, you have a mildot ret and MOA adjustments. You see your shots, say 3/4 mil off. How many clicks do you need with MOA to get that right? Your calculation would get you close, but if you observe the same thing and you have MRAD adjustments, you dial 7 or 8 clicks and then shoot. Job done. The NP2-DD, NP-R1 and NP-R2 are MOA reticles, so you want MOA adjustments with them. The mildot, MLR rets are in mils, so you want MRAD adjustments with them. The fine crosshairs tell you nothing much about distances and aiming off, so either adjustment works with these. repeat, it's NOT about the size of adjustment per click. Quote Link to post
Mr_Logic 5 Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 One other thing. Have you thought about a Leupold VX-III with fine crosshair? You can get the 6.5-20 or 8.5-25 for far less than a Nightforce. I bought mine because I didn't trust the VX-III at the time, but I've since got a 6.5-20 as my Meopta proved faulty, and it's been very good thus far. The view is clear and crisp, and the adjustments precise. Nightforce IS better, but going on Sportsman pricing, you can pretty much get 2 Leupolds for one Nightforce. Last year's F/TR champ runs one, so they can't be all that bad. Quote Link to post
lgray88 4 Posted March 26, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 I did think about a leupold mark 4 , i was planning on getting the scope from uttings on finance , i know it comes out more expensive in the end but i cant afford to get good glass and a good gun at the same time so 20-40 quid every month dont bother me for few years. if i get leupold i could always strap on the BORS if i get really lazy , ahh decsions decsions liam Quote Link to post
danebrewer10 6 Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 i have decided to continue on with trying out this long range shooting, well not trying out but taking it up as im sure i will enjoy it i am decided too purchase all the other bits and pieces before makeing a desicion on a rifle yet. , but im looking throught the range of nightforce scopes and I have a few things that i am confused about. i shall jsut list them for easyness. What reticle is most useful to me for long range shooting? What click value will i need as i see most a .250moa (quarter inch at 100yards???) what is MRAD? (something to do with radians??) Zero Stop Function? What range of a elevation and windage adjustment will i need ? i know this varies by caliber but is 110moa elevation and 80moa for wind ample? i think thats all i have for the moment but any help would be much appreciated liam OOOOK. If ou want to just do target shooting, stick with a duplex/ 30/30 type reticle or just a fine crosshair. most usefull to you if you're dialling in corrections would be 1/8" @ 100yd 1 minute of angle=1/60th of a degree so if you extrapolate 1/60th of a degree out to 100yd it will cover one inch not sure about adjustment ranges but if you get a scope designed for lond range shooting then you'll probably have enough elevation in it, also you could get y'self a 20MOA rail to give you that bit extra elevation..... check some of the yank pages, they're all into their long range shooting.... HOWEVER..... if you're talking about long range hunting..... then no. I don't condone overly long shots on live game. no matter how good you think you are there's always too much room for error. get as close as you can to take a sporting shot. also shooting past 250-300yd isn't hunting/stalking, it's target shooting on live animals..... just isn't ethical. Have fun! Quote Link to post
lgray88 4 Posted March 26, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 (edited) this weapon will be purely for long range targets, but there may come a day when it could be used for other things. i understand the use of moa and the 1/60th is one inch at 100 yards thats all good, so it definately goin to be a a scope with moa turrets and reticle. but nightforce dont do any in 1/8th clicks jsut 1/4 clicks and leupolds mark 4 is also quarter inch clicks it must be a common thing in long range scopes. but we shall see what happens liam Edited March 26, 2009 by lgray88 Quote Link to post
Mr_Logic 5 Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 1/4 MOA clicks are absolutely fine. Quote Link to post
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