Swampy 147 Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 So was this a good day or a bad day 406 years ago? Just saw this and thought it would be interesting to see the reaction. I may even get another history lesson from Fox gun?!!! 1603: Elizabeth I dies and is succeeded by James VI of Scotland, unifying the English and Scottish crowns. Rgds Swampy ning Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Catcher Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 So was this a good day or a bad day 406 years ago? Just saw this and thought it would be interesting to see the reaction. I may even get another history lesson from Fox gun?!!! 1603: Elizabeth I dies and is succeeded by James VI of Scotland, unifying the English and Scottish crowns. Rgds Swampy And we lived to regret it. atb.catcher ning Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Swampy 147 Posted March 24, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 So was this a good day or a bad day 406 years ago? Just saw this and thought it would be interesting to see the reaction. I may even get another history lesson from Fox gun?!!! 1603: Elizabeth I dies and is succeeded by James VI of Scotland, unifying the English and Scottish crowns. Rgds Swampy And we lived to regret it. atb.catcher ning Yes WE most certainly did! Swampy Ning back atcha Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Swampy 147 Posted March 25, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2009 On This Day Add a Story to this feed Remove a story from this feed 1305: Robert the Bruce is crowned king of the Scots and will lead a successful rebellion against the English. A good day for Fox gun methinks Ning Swampy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Foxgun Tom 75 Posted March 25, 2009 Report Share Posted March 25, 2009 (edited) Depends on whose or what perspective you look at it, wether it was a good day or not? He was despised by a lot of Scots for not returning to Scotland in the manner he said he would, Not lifting a strong enough hand to protect his Mother "Mary, Queen of Scots" from execution, Helping to des-stabilise Highland way of life and Clan structure and worst of all fulfilling is own ego by wanting absolute power and believing in his own divinity "THE DIVINE RIGHT OF KINGS" a philosophy that Scots declared null and void during the Scottish Reformation!! Certainly a bad day for Scots/English Catholics the French, Spanish and Gaelic peoples and of course other enemies of England James had a considerable distaste for the Gaelic speaking Highlanders. In 1597, when he found the Clans Donald and Macleans fighting one another and families in Sutherland and Caithness at one another's throats, he demanded that all the chiefs should produce legal title to their lands. In some cases this could not be done and he settled many English speaking lowlanders in their lands, not always successfully. But where clan chiefs refused to take responsibility for the acts of their clansmen, writs of "Fire and Sword" were issued against them. James became the first Stuart king of England in 1603 under the terms of the Treaty of Berwick which he had signed with Elizabeth I in 1586. The Treaty pledged allegiance between the two countries and promised mutual help against invasion, thus protecting England from France. And so James acquiesced to his mother's execution and remained neutral when the Spanish Armada threatened English shores. As Scottish king he consented to an act of parliament establishing Presbyterianism in Scotland and with support he subdued the Roman Catholic earls. He married Anne of Denmark whom he loved and together they had nine children. James was Elizabeth's nearest royal relative; both were direct descendants of Henry VII, the first Tudor king. Yet in English law James's claim was uncertain. Since 1351, foreigners were forbidden to inherit English lands, which might block James from inheriting the Crown and its estates. The parliamentary succession statute of 1544 mentioned no heir after Elizabeth and her children (if any), while the 1547 will of Henry VIII debarred his Scottish relatives from the throne. More recently a statute of 1585 insisted that if any claimants should conspire against Elizabeth, all their legal rights were forfeited. Mary Queen of Scots had been executed in 1587 for her involvement in Catholic assassination plots against Elizabeth. After taking the throne of England James boasted that he ruled Scotland with the stroke of a pen. James's relationship with the country of his birth seems to have cooled the moment he succeeded Elizabeth I as ruler of England. This comment to many Scots was seen to prove he was indifferent to Scotland, Scottish culture and its people? Tom Ps: the above is from a certain Scottish perspective Ps: Swampy! I bet the only history you got at school included? 1066, "the Magn Carta,", 100 years war, The War of the Rose's etc; that was also the curriculim in Scottish schools!! kids of my generation of were taught next to nothing about Scottish history as it was deemed unimportant!!!!!!!!!! So was this a good day or a bad day 406 years ago? Just saw this and thought it would be interesting to see the reaction. I may even get another history lesson from Fox gun?!!! 1603: Elizabeth I dies and is succeeded by James VI of Scotland, unifying the English and Scottish crowns. Rgds Swampy ning Edited March 25, 2009 by Foxgun Tom Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Swampy 147 Posted March 25, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2009 Depends on whose or what perspective you look at it, wether it was a good day or not? He was despised by a lot of Scots for not returning to Scotland in the manner he said he would, Not lifting a strong enough hand to protect his Mother "Mary, Queen of Scots" from execution, Helping to des-stabilise Highland way of life and Clan structure and worst of all fulfilling is own ego by wanting absolute power and believing in his own divinity "THE DIVINE RIGHT OF KINGS" a philosophy that Scots declared null and void during the Scottish Reformation!! Certainly a bad day for Scots/English Catholics the French, Spanish and Gaelic peoples and of course other enemies of England James had a considerable distaste for the Gaelic speaking Highlanders. In 1597, when he found the Clans Donald and Macleans fighting one another and families in Sutherland and Caithness at one another's throats, he demanded that all the chiefs should produce legal title to their lands. In some cases this could not be done and he settled many English speaking lowlanders in their lands, not always successfully. But where clan chiefs refused to take responsibility for the acts of their clansmen, writs of "Fire and Sword" were issued against them. James became the first Stuart king of England in 1603 under the terms of the Treaty of Berwick which he had signed with Elizabeth I in 1586. The Treaty pledged allegiance between the two countries and promised mutual help against invasion, thus protecting England from France. And so James acquiesced to his mother's execution and remained neutral when the Spanish Armada threatened English shores. As Scottish king he consented to an act of parliament establishing Presbyterianism in Scotland and with support he subdued the Roman Catholic earls. He married Anne of Denmark whom he loved and together they had nine children. James was Elizabeth's nearest royal relative; both were direct descendants of Henry VII, the first Tudor king. Yet in English law James's claim was uncertain. Since 1351, foreigners were forbidden to inherit English lands, which might block James from inheriting the Crown and its estates. The parliamentary succession statute of 1544 mentioned no heir after Elizabeth and her children (if any), while the 1547 will of Henry VIII debarred his Scottish relatives from the throne. More recently a statute of 1585 insisted that if any claimants should conspire against Elizabeth, all their legal rights were forfeited. Mary Queen of Scots had been executed in 1587 for her involvement in Catholic assassination plots against Elizabeth. After taking the throne of England James boasted that he ruled Scotland with the stroke of a pen. James's relationship with the country of his birth seems to have cooled the moment he succeeded Elizabeth I as ruler of England. This comment to many Scots was seen to prove he was indifferent to Scotland, Scottish culture and its people? Tom Ps: the above is from a certain Scottish perspective Ps: Swampy! I bet the only history you got at school included? 1066, "the Magn Carta,", 100 years war, The War of the Rose's etc; that was also the curriculim in Scottish schools!! kids of my generation of were taught next to nothing about Scottish history as it was deemed unimportant!!!!!!!!!! So was this a good day or a bad day 406 years ago? Just saw this and thought it would be interesting to see the reaction. I may even get another history lesson from Fox gun?!!! 1603: Elizabeth I dies and is succeeded by James VI of Scotland, unifying the English and Scottish crowns. Rgds Swampy ning Awwite Tom, I knew you wouldn't let me down. I think the addage "you can please some of the people........etc etc" applies here. To be honest I did two years of history at school and then dropped it.......good job really as I would never have failed the subjects I did take so spectacularly had I continued with it! I vaguely remember being taught the Tudors and the Elizabethans and touching on WWI but as my memory is as bad now as it was then I couldn't be certain! I'm that old that WWI was probably "current affairs" rgds Swampy ninging with old age Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Foxgun Tom 75 Posted March 25, 2009 Report Share Posted March 25, 2009 (edited) Show's how old I am Swamps I did'nt get WW1 or WW2 has history lessons they were part of my modern studies lessons, I'm getting that old some people are saying I'm old enough to have takemn part in both minor skirmishes All the best Tom Edited March 25, 2009 by Foxgun Tom Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Swampy 147 Posted March 26, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 Show's how old I am Swamps I did'nt get WW1 or WW2 has history lessons they were part of my modern studies lessons, I'm getting that old some people are saying I'm old enough to have takemn part in both minor skirmishes All the best Tom Skirmishes Aye! Kids today don't know what a real fight is eh? Swampy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Buch 145 Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 Skirmishes Aye! Kids today don't know what a real fight is eh? Swampy Just on a side note. British soldiers in afganistan (and iraq of old) see many more contacts per head that was ever seen in WWI or WWII. Just a small point. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Swampy 147 Posted March 26, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 Skirmishes Aye! Kids today don't know what a real fight is eh? Swampy Just on a side note. British soldiers in afganistan (and iraq of old) see many more contacts per head that was ever seen in WWI or WWII. Just a small point. I'm not going to get into this one! Two reasons. 1. You can't compare the two in any way shape or form. 2. Usually the first "contact" was their last ! 3. Out of respect to the 100s of thousands that gave their lives fighting for a proper cause! Three reasons. 4. Out of respect to the 1000s who have given their lives for a cause that at best is dubious worst illegal (Not thier fault!) Four reasons And now for the comfy chair and soft cushions to be administered by the Spanish inquisition Not The Spanish inquisitive?!!!!!!!!!! Ning Swampy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Buch 145 Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 I'm not going to get into this one!Two reasons. 1. You can't compare the two in any way shape or form. 2. Usually the first "contact" was their last ! 3. Out of respect to the 100s of thousands that gave their lives fighting for a proper cause! Three reasons. 4. Out of respect to the 1000s who have given their lives for a cause that at best is dubious worst illegal (Not thier fault!) Four reasons And now for the comfy chair and soft cushions to be administered by the Spanish inquisition Not The Spanish inquisitive?!!!!!!!!!! Ning Swampy I understand your point and agree with it . I realise it was tounge in cheek but i just wanted make a point that some people might not realise Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Foxgun Tom 75 Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 (edited) Buch! My use of the word skirmishes was tounge in cheek and a bit of friendly banter between myself and Swampy it was not meant to cause offence! if it has I humbly apologise to all concerned, I have the utmost respect for all british servicemen serving their country in the past and present. For some pay the ultimate sacrifice and without their dedication and sacrifice's we would'nt enjoy the freedoms we have today My own Nephew was serving in Afghanistan until recently and I do come from a family with a long tradition for volounteering in the services Tom Edited March 26, 2009 by Foxgun Tom Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Buch 145 Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 Buch! My use of the word skirmishes was tounge in cheek and a bit of friendly banter between myself and Swampy it was not meant to cause offence! if it has I humbly apologise to all concerned, I have the utmost respect for all british servicemen serving their country in the past and present. For some pay the ultimate sacrifice and without their dedication and sacrifice's we would'nt enjoy the freedoms we have today My own Nephew was serving in Afghanistan until recently and I do come from a family with a long tradition for volounteering in the services Tom ehehe i know. None taken. It was just a little useless tidbit of silly info i thought i would share Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Swampy 147 Posted March 27, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2009 This should cheer Foxgun up a bit! On this day in history 1871: The first international rugby match takes place, between Scotland and England. Scotland win. I decline to comment on this one as its just too easy...........! Swampy Ning Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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