American and japanese akitas

[Simoman 110]

We all have our vices

[braveheart 1]

Just a thouht realy But do any of you no of any crossed with greyhound lurcher ETC..

[Guest bullterrier]

Do you exhibit them?

I do, not so often these days though, too many people buying their prizes these days, crooked judges and all that. Kennel club are trying to deal with it at the moment, once they sort out all the ringside saddo's it might be fun again. We generally check to see who is judging first and if their a fair judge then we enter. Dont mind being put last if its deserved, just isnt fair when its because the judge doesnt like you or has been paid off.

 

 

that's the truth we were at a show a while back for english bull terriers and were told by some one that they were getting top dog but he would of liked top bitch this was two hours before the show it does happen and needs stopping . ...john

[WelshVixen 4]

Do you exhibit them?

I do, not so often these days though, too many people buying their prizes these days, crooked judges and all that. Kennel club are trying to deal with it at the moment, once they sort out all the ringside saddo's it might be fun again. We generally check to see who is judging first and if their a fair judge then we enter. Dont mind being put last if its deserved, just isnt fair when its because the judge doesnt like you or has been paid off.

 

 

that's the truth we were at a show a while back for english bull terriers and were told by some one that they were getting top dog but he would of liked top bitch this was two hours before the show it does happen and needs stopping . ...john

 

You can generally tell who's going to win by most of the judges these days, they all have their "group". Must enjoy getting their butts licked. You know a good judge when you cant link them to anyones dog. I think crufts was a prime example this year. The books were closed on the utility group, and an investigation was started (dont know if any of you saw this on the news). It was alledged that the group win was already bought. This was common knowledge to all of us ringside but still, to see it reach the news really hit home the problems. I dont know if you get the same problems in lurcher shows, Im hoping to get into these to avoid the "politics" of a kc show.

 

I have pondered over the idea of an akita cross lurcher, maybe i'll try it one day, the one thing i find offputting is the curly tail. How many lurchers do you see with a tail curled over its back? And would it be able to run and turn the same?

[Simoman 110]

Just a thouht realy But do any of you no of any crossed with greyhound lurcher ETC..

 

Can't imagine the traits such as diificult to train, stubborn and aloof behaviour, independence and potential dog aggression would be traits you would require in a tractable hunting partner???

[Simoman 110]

Welsh vixen,, i think whether its Crufts or the local village fete showing is politics.............

[WelshVixen 4]

Just a thouht realy But do any of you no of any crossed with greyhound lurcher ETC..

 

Can't imagine the traits such as diificult to train, stubborn and aloof behaviour, independence and potential dog aggression would be traits you would require in a tractable hunting partner???

 

They say dog aggression is a trait of the breed, but i do disagree with that. All but one of mine are docile with other dogs, its all about how much time is spent socialising them as youngsters the one i have that doesnt like dogs we bred, sold to who we thought was a good home only to find that he was simply locked in a cage in a garage, not socialised with people or dogs, so he ist a very tolerant animal. At shows he behaves himself but if he were to be off the lead i dread to think what would happen. Saying that, in all breeds you will get the odd "alpha" dog that commands respect and will nail any dog that doesnt show it, all the others are right though so maybe they wouldnt make ideal partners, and i do think theyd be one ugly lurcher too.

[Guest reload]

Is that a Redwitch Bred dog, looks like it too me, I maybe wrong

 

I have worked with a fair few here and overseas at a good friends kennels, all American Akitas, one of them being the most titled Akita in the world (a truly fantastic dog) Saw everything from pups, youngsters and adults. I can honestly say there is nothing in a Akita that would be useful in a working lurcher, that a proven working breed cannot bring to the table.

[dean 29 27]

Is that a Redwitch Bred dog, looks like it too me, I maybe wrong

 

I have worked with a fair few here and overseas at a good friends kennels, all American Akitas, one of them being the most titled Akita in the world (a truly fantastic dog) Saw everything from pups, youngsters and adults. I can honestly say there is nothing in a Akita that would be useful in a working lurcher, that a proven working breed cannot bring to the table.

 

Thought you aid that was your dog vixen.

Edited October 29, 2008 by dean 29

[WelshVixen 4]

Is that a Redwitch Bred dog, looks like it too me, I maybe wrong

 

I have worked with a fair few here and overseas at a good friends kennels, all American Akitas, one of them being the most titled Akita in the world (a truly fantastic dog) Saw everything from pups, youngsters and adults. I can honestly say there is nothing in a Akita that would be useful in a working lurcher, that a proven working breed cannot bring to the table.

 

Thought you aid that was your dog vixen.

 

 

Which dog would you be referring to? None of the pictures i have shown are actual redwitch though mine do have the breeding behind them. The Dog at the top is Rossimon One More Chance. He is out of our bitch, and a Redwitch dog. Which dog was it you had the pleasure of working with? Dave and Jenny do have some stunning animals there, they have played a huge part in bringing the quality of the breed to where it is today. We have the Rossimon kennels (its mainly my parents who run the show now, im frowned upon because of my views on hunting, my mother is dead set against that sort of thing). I dont believe an akita cross would have anything beneficial, more of a hinderance really. Their not exactly runners and although strong enough to pull down the large ones, theyd have a job bloody catching them. The others are pictures ive pulled from friends sites, just to show the difference. Youll have to excuse my typing if i am missing letter out, my laptop doesnt type as quick as i do (and im not that fast).

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I assumed they have redwitch there as you can see the stamp a mile off, most UK dogs have Redwitch now which is a bit of a shame, but thats what happens when you start winning and breeding in what used to be a numerically small breed. I will say that Dave is one of the best handlers I have ever seen, and I have seen alot

 

I have seen a fair few of the Japenese type, and according to the Japanese these were used for hunting deer, and they are a much smaller lighter dog, but the words 'Were Used' says it all.

 

I have heard of a guy using his American Akita bought from my friends for blood trailing in the states though

[dean 29 27]

I assumed they have redwitch there as you can see the stamp a mile off, most UK dogs have Redwitch now which is a bit of a shame, but thats what happens when you start winning and breeding in what used to be a numerically small breed. I will say that Dave is one of the best handlers I have ever seen, and I have seen alot

 

I have seen a fair few of the Japenese type, and according to the Japanese these were used for hunting deer, and they are a much smaller lighter dog, but the words 'Were Used' says it all.

 

I have heard of a guy using his American Akita bought from my friends for blood trailing in the states though

[Dawn B 212]

I love the Japanese Akita, the Akita was designed just for show. I board loads, temperaments are suspect on many, males particularly, rarely give any warning. Im not keen if Im honest although I appreciate their looks alone would attract some.

[WelshVixen 4]

I love the Japanese Akita, the Akita was designed just for show. I board loads, temperaments are suspect on many, males particularly, rarely give any warning. Im not keen if Im honest although I appreciate their looks alone would attract some.

 

The akita did in fact have a use. Centuries ago, the Akita was owned only by the Shogun, the imperial leaders of the century. This dog was used to track large game and hold it at bay until the hunters arrived to make the kill. Some of the types of game the Akita tracked included antelope, elk, boar and the 800 pound Yezo bear. Some major setbacks occured to this breed during the late 1800's. The first, was the crossbreeding of the Akita with the Japanese fighting dog, the Tosa (this is now one of the banned breeds). This resulted in a dog of imposing size and aggression (which later after years of breeding to gain more size and less aggression became the american akita). In the early 1900's two events occurred that focused positive attention on the breed. First was the story of Hachi-Ko, one of the most revered Japanese Akitas of all time. Hachi-Ko was owned by Professor Eizaburo Ueno of Tokyo. Everyday the Professor would commute to work on the the train from Shibuya Station. Hachi-Ko would accompany his master to the station each morning and meet him and accompany him home each night. On May 25, 1925, when the dog was 18 months old, he waited for his master's arrival on the four o'clock train. But he waited in vain; Professor Ueno had suffered a fatal stroke at work. Hachi-Ko continued to wait for his master's return. He traveled to and from the station each day for the next nine years. He allowed the professor's relatives to care for him, but he never gave up his vigil at the station for his master. His vigil became world renowned, and shortly after his death, a bronze statue was erected at the train station in his honor and his picture was printed on japanese stamps (i have a few of these, sad i know but i love my breed).

Then, in 1931, the Akita was officially declared a Japanese National Monument. The Mayor of Odate City in the Akita Prefecture organized the Akita Inu Hozankai to preserve the original (Japanese type) Akita as a national treasure through careful breeding. The second positive event was the arrival in 1937 of Hellen Keller in Japan. She expressed keen interest in the Akita breed and was presented with the first two Akitas to enter the United States. Unfortunately, one of the dogs died at a young age, but the second dog became Ms. Keller's constant companion until his death in 1945.

World War II saw the Akita pushed to the brink of extinction. Many had been killed and eaten by the starving populace, and the pelts were used for clothing. The government ordered all remaining dogs to be killed to prevent the spread of disease. The only way that some owners could save their beloved Akitas was to turn them loose in the most remote mountain areas. It was there that the breed's keen hunting skills and hardiness helped them to survive the war years. So as you can see, they were very good hunters, nowadays i wouldnt agree as they are mainly couch potatoes.

 

There is a statement "blame the deed not the breed", not all akitas have bad temperaments, just the ones that didnt have enough time and effort put into them or were badly bred by people who think mainly of money and not of the benefits they can offer. Speak to the top kennels in this breed and they will be more than happy to invite you to meet their cuddly big bears. I have met Bad Akitas, but when researched their history always find that the people behind them have not properly cared for them, causing them to become this way. My parents have helped to run the Akita rescue for as long as i can remember and everytime a temperamental one comes in, theres always a reason for it. If we all thought of an entire breed being of bad temperament then surely no one would want anything to do with pitbulls! (which i think are very loyal and friendy dogs by nature).

 

Sorry this was a bit long but i thought i would enlighten you all, and give you a brief history on a breed that i care so much about. Like ive said, they aint everyones cup of tea, so i dont expect people to automatically like them.

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Just to clear things up American Akitas were bred purely for SHOW in America, the Japenese Akita, is closer to the real hunting dogs of yester year, and a TOTALLY differnt breed. All the lovely history is about Japanese dogs not American