Failed attempt by a VET to PTS a whippet

[countrymaid 2]

An elderly friend rung up last night to tell me that after a week treating her whippet and a £700 bill the Vets decided to put to sleep her young Whippet bitch.

After making the heartbreaking decision to end her suffering whippets life, she then had to stand there and watch the Vet make 3 attempts to PTS the bitch, half an hour later and 3 viles Kelly went off.

This old lady was devasted and she said it was the worst procedure she has ever seen in her life. I have my dogs put down by the local slaughterman who does it with a gun, he just takes them for a walk around the field and does it in the back of the head with out them even knowing anything.

Im asking is there anyone in the Barnstaple north devon area that could do the same in the future should this lady need any of her other dogs done as i doubt after what happened she would let a vet do it again.

When you hear of stories like this it does make you wonder what that poor dog was going through. Im sorry to open up a can of worms here and its not something that is usualy talked about but the old lady was in a right state when she called me last night.

[Kay 3,709]

Isnt that just awfull , i would have been so distressed to have had to witnes that , i do hope the lady dont loose faith in vets all together, theres some good ones out there & you need to hang on to them

[Matt 160]

That's a terrible story. PM sent.

[Guest gaz100604]

is it not illegal to put a bullet in a dog even if it is very sick or dying? im not disagreeing with you i have known a few dogs die while on a "walk" , better that way than see a vet make a f**k up of the whole thing, idiot id of demanded my money back.

 

i was in vets tuesday night get pup his second injections and this lad walks in with a yorkie 9weeks old waas dying in his arms the bloke was balling crying pup fell off a chair and had huge difficulty in breathing, the vet took him in i got injections for my pup and left now i never knew if his pup made it or not he looked f****d. i said to my mate if my dog was in such a bad way like that id of saved him the pain of a 20min car drive and a 20min wait in vets to 95% have put him to sleep id of done the decent thing and done it myself.

[countrymaid 2]

I doubt very much anyone will volunteer that info countrymaid as it is illegal to shoot a dog

 

Terrible news, i wonder what went wrong, it such a simple procedure?

Im not sure it is illegal to shoot a dog, our slaughterman has been doing our dogs for years as we had a similiar incident with one of our collies years ago when my mum went to walk out of the room and the dog flinched and she said it tried to come with her.

Maybe its only liscenced people who can do it, most hunts do there own hounds

[countrymaid 2]

is it not illegal to put a bullet in a dog even if it is very sick or dying? im not disagreeing with you i have known a few dogs die while on a "walk" , better that way than see a vet make a f**k up of the whole thing, idiot id of demanded my money back.

 

i was in vets tuesday night get pup his second injections and this lad walks in with a yorkie 9weeks old waas dying in his arms the bloke was balling crying pup fell off a chair and had huge difficulty in breathing, the vet took him in i got injections for my pup and left now i never knew if his pup made it or not he looked f****d. i said to my mate if my dog was in such a bad way like that id of saved him the pain of a 20min car drive and a 20min wait in vets to 95% have put him to sleep id of done the decent thing and done it myself.

The old lady wants me to help her draft a letter together as she wants to dispute the Vets Bill and also ask why it took them so long to PTS the whippet. I saw the bitch Saturday night and i thought it needed to be back on a drip as it wasent eating or drinking very much but her vets dident aggree.

[Guest bigredbusa]

This old lady was devasted and she said it was the worst procedure she has ever seen in her life. I have my dogs put down by the local slaughterman who does it with a gun, he just takes them for a walk around the field and does it in the back of the head with out them even knowing anything.

Im asking is there anyone in the Barnstaple north devon area that could do the same in the future should this lady need any of her other dogs done as i doubt after what happened she would let a vet do it again.

 

you are talking about illegal activities , one rule for one and all that .

[countrymaid 2]

This old lady was devasted and she said it was the worst procedure she has ever seen in her life. I have my dogs put down by the local slaughterman who does it with a gun, he just takes them for a walk around the field and does it in the back of the head with out them even knowing anything.

Im asking is there anyone in the Barnstaple north devon area that could do the same in the future should this lady need any of her other dogs done as i doubt after what happened she would let a vet do it again.

 

you are talking about illegal activities , one rule for one and all that .

No im talking about a liscenced Slaughterman doing the job better and more humainly then a vet

[Guest gaz100604]

be careful in what your saying c.m.

[Guest bigredbusa]

arghhh well i retract the 'report button' i just done then lol , either way if it was someone else asking for this it would of been pulled ages ago .

 

cant you find out your local slaughterman ? , maybe ask round a few stables for a number off the horsey girls

[Guest gaz100604]

shoot it and eat it then? what aload of cobblers how is it legal to shoot a dog but no bury it the human and decent thing would be to bury the animal

[Matt 160]

It is perfectly legal to shoot a dog, providing no 'unnecessary' suffering is caused as a result.

 

It is also legal to bury pets on your own land - the problem comes when someone does it 'commercially', or the animal is not a family pet (like hounds).

 

I would still advise anyone who needs to have a family pet euthanased to use a qualified and experienced vet, unless, of course, it's an emergency situation.

[Guest Rabbiteer]

The old lady wants me to help her draft a letter together as she wants to dispute the Vets Bill and also ask why it took them so long to PTS the whippet. I saw the bitch Saturday night and i thought it needed to be back on a drip as it wasent eating or drinking very much but her vets dident aggree.

 

First of all let me say how sorry I am to hear of your/her distress.

 

I deal EVERY day with the exact same drugs that are used to put people/animals to sleep. The lethal injection used in America is just a cocktail of drugs that I normal use for most operations during the course of a days work.

 

There are two differant types of PTS that are used nowadays.

 

The first is by injection Local Anaesthetic like lignocaine in to a vein. After the toxic dose is exceeded the animal will have a massive heart attack and die.

 

The second being the one they use on people in America is to: Put the person/dog to sleep using an Induction agent called Thiopentone. Thio is actually responsible for killing more servicemen at Pearl Harbour than those that died of the direct attack by the Japs. A long acting muscle relaxant is used normally called Pancuronium, this knocks off the breathing. Then potassium is injected again causing the heart to fail.

 

So when you say that after three vials were used, was it actually three failed attempts or just changing over the syringes. Or, was it three attempts at getting a vein in a skinny poorly dog who you admit to being dehydrated to cannulate so it could be PTS.

 

I have a GREAT vet up this way who is appealing a decision made by the RSPCA under Secton 20 of the Animal Welfare act. His name is Bill Cartmell at Wickham kennels. Try and speak to him and he maybe able to offer you some advice.

 

Wishing you all the best,

 

Rabbiteer

[Tiff 36]

it is illegal in many states/counties here, but I think it is more "discharging firearms in city limits" etc that are the prosecutorial (is that a word?) issue. I guess if the dog/cat suffers, there could be a "creulty" charge as well, but you'd probably need witnesses or some sort of proof to be done for that. A bullet is a hell of a lot more humane than other ways I've heard about.

 

after I put my old bitch Russell down a few years ago after she had a fast growing tumor and had slowed down eating etc I took her into the vet because I "couldn't" do it myself, despite Kye's offer to do it himself. I had done others in the past, quarry and dogs, but I really loved that dog and couldn't bring myself to do it, I just couldn't. But after watching her shudder and tremble out of stress beforehand while waiting for the vet, then for several minutes after the injection was administered, I will NEVER take a dog into the vet again to be PTS. It is something that is done for the owners comfort, not the dogs in my opinion. From what I was told later by a vet tech, something about the last organ to "die" is the brain so while the muscles/lungs shut down first, followed by other organs, last the brain, so the dog is aware what is happening but can't fight it. Someone here can probably explain it better than I, but that's what I was told I think.

[countrymaid 2]

Or is it illegal?

Ive tried in vain to research this, and this is the only definate info i can come up with...

 

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/tm_objectid=1...-name_page.html

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2006/jul/18/a...migrationpolicy

 

Both state it is not illegal, and he is not a slaughterman!

 

But he was convicted for burying dogs without a permit.

 

http://www.sighthoundsonline.org.uk/forums...=13018&st=0

 

So its ok to shoot your dog but not bury it

Our Slaughterman is Liscenced with DEFRA and when i asked him a couple of years ago how he gets his liscence he told me a DEFRA vet had to watch him dispatch 2 of a random species so many times a year he said he was dreading the next test that he had coming up as he had his suspisions that he was going to have to do poultry. He got Geese at his next test.

He isent allowed to bury any stock it all has to go to approved cremmator. Im sorry that i started this topic but if you had heard how upset this lady was when her whippet was eventually put to sleep you would understand why im asking these questions.