fenn traps

[Guest blackntan]

thats a lot of pish a stoats gonna be a pain in the backside any time of year, thats like saying dont kill foxes until cubbing time the partridge keeper i work with has been picking up loads of stoats all year round some of them right next to pens if they wernt caught theyd be in beside the birds before you know whats happened,

 

as for hedge pigs (lol) not sure about the protected thng but i know that its illegal to trap them the only legal way to kill them is to shoot them i was told that a few weeks ago at college and been told it from a wildlife liason officer that comes to college aswell

 

and as for the sticks in the front of the tunnel use 3 stones put together to make a small tunnel cant think of a way to explain that any better, but it restricts better than sticks and it means that if you have a bad catch then stuff cant drag the trap out the box

MURRYMINT TRAPING LINE, STOPS END OF MAY NOT TARGET TRAPING AROUND PENS ETC , AND IF YOU USE STICKS IN THE RIGHT WAY SON YOU WONT EVER GET A BAD CATCH, , AND IF YOUR NOT SURE OF THE LAW READ THE LAW OR ASK YOUR WILD LIFE OFFICER AT YOUR COLLEGE

[Guest blackntan]

Hedgehogs are protected under the Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981

 

That's what I was getting at.

 

I don't know where you stand with accidental non-target catches. For instance it is illegal to set spring traps in rabbit holes if there are known to be Polecats present. Do they mean present in the county or the wood you are working in? How do you establish whether they are there or not? There are a lot of grey areas in trapping legislation but I would suggest that if your targets were weasels and stoats then your tunnel entrance should be set to restrict hedghogs, polecats and other non-targets.

 

As we all know gamekeepers have traditionally killed any creature that is a threat to his game or eggs. History also tells us that these practices are often carried out irrespective of the animal's protected status. (hope that wasn't too controvertial )

 

An excellent book about the history of pest control and persecution of wildlife from the vermin laws of QE1 is "Silent Fields" by Roger Lovegrove.

ANY WERE THAT IS KEEPERD WILD LIFE ABOUNDS, CONSERVATION IS A WORD OVER USED BY DO GOODERS THAT SIT IN HIDES AND WATCH , WE HAVE COME A LONG WAY SINCE THE OLD ATTITUDES , THE MODERN GAMEKEEPER IS THE CUSTODION OF HIS BEAT, TO CONTROLL VERMIN IS TO CONSERVE , , MODERATION IN ALL THINGS NOT WIPE OUT , THERE WILL ALWAYS BE THE ODD FOOL BUT EDUCATION OF YOUNG KEEPERS IN THE RIGHT WAY TO TRAP AND CONSERVE GAME AND WILD LIFE IS BETTER THAN WRITING A THOUSAND BOOKS AND MAKING ANY LAW,

 

you really aint been taught well have you !!! if it was not for keepers past and presant being so hard on vermin then the country side wouldnt have such a diverse aray of wildlife, as you know the stuff we kill dont just kill game birds they will kill anything they can catch....

 

a quick example, i took over the estate where i am now about 6 years ago, it hadnt been keepered for 33 years before my boss bought it, the place was devoid of wild life, only those higher up the food chain had survived, very few if any finchs, tits, song birds, hares, small waders etc etc were present, but now there all over if i could have done anything different it would to have been to get my boss to have a wild life survey done when we took over.. because it would make amazing reading, i can promise that, and its down to two things, in this order,firstly none stop vermin control, and then the supplie of wheat, maize etc through out the winter

THINK IF YOU READ AGAIN THE ABOVE THATS WHAT I SAID Edited October 24, 2008 by blackntan

[Guest blackntan]

[]YOU MUST HAVE LOADS OF TIME ON YOU HANDS TO RUN A TRAPPING LINE ALL YEAR ROUND SIR

Loads of keepers have to run traps all year

, MARCH, APRIL,MAY, IF DONE RIGHT STOATS, WEASELS, HEADGE PIGS, , THE ODD RAT AND SQIRRELLS THE REST OF THE YEAR, MOORLAND KEEPERS MAY KEEP THEM RUNNING , WASTE OF TIME FOR A LOWLAND KEEPER AFTER MAY, AS TO BUSY REARING KEEP SNARS GOING THRU THE SUMMER , DEPENDS HOW YOU BEEN TAUGHT THOU I SUPPOSE

 

what you on about, not all low ground keepers rear there birds... and on the rounds doing your poults id dare bet there is 50 or more sites you could set fenns where you could check them with out any extra time being added, but as i have a phes and part shoot and 700 acre of heather id guess im inbetween so iv got no choice... why do you see it as a waste of time as a stoat killed in june would still be having young come the spring, so it aint really a waste of time is it, but your right its how you have been taught id guess, glad i got taught the old school way and not to be a lazy feck, lol

HA THE OLD SCHOOL YES MATE SO DID I BUT THE DIFF WAS WE HATCHED AND REARD ALL ARE OWN BIRDS IN BIG NUMBERS WITH NO QUAD BIKES TO RUN ROUND ON [ HEARD DUCKS FART BEFORE ]

[zig zag wanderer 0]

the only legal way to kill them is to shoot them i was told that a few weeks ago at college and been told it from a wildlife liason officer that comes to college aswell

With a comment like that I know why your wildlife liason officer has gone back to college. Time for a new career me thinks :wacko:

 

Killing is killing, protected is protected, shooting? trapping? What is he on?

 

What college teaches that rubbish? Gamekeeper's (if it moves kill it) college?

Edited October 24, 2008 by zig zag wanderer

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[Guest blackntan]

Dad was a gamekeeper in Scottish borders. Trapped all year round, checked all year round. Hedgehogs by accident only, we never EVER took one as vermin. Stoats, weasels, rats, ferrets, mink, all trapped all year.

 

My dear old dad told me he would never like to see a ground with no vermin, no vermin means the land is sick, nothing further down the food chain including game.

 

He reared his own and released his own and still had time (made time) to restrict vermin, but as he said keepering is not even 20% killing, it is conservation in all things.

 

H

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Dad was a gamekeeper in Scottish borders. Trapped all year round, checked all year round. Hedgehogs by accident only, we never EVER took one as vermin. Stoats, weasels, rats, ferrets, mink, all trapped all year.

 

My dear old dad told me he would never like to see a ground with no vermin, no vermin means the land is sick, nothing further down the food chain including game.

 

He reared his own and released his own and still had time (made time) to restrict vermin, but as he said keepering is not even 20% killing, it is conservation in all things.

 

H

 

so from the ads at the bottom of your posts im guessing your closely linked to pest control??? if so when you see a client about rats or roachs in a restaurant you tell them you can do the job but you will be leaving some kickin about as you believe in conservation in all things??????????

 

of have i got this wrong ?????????

[zig zag wanderer 0]

I'm in pest control and there's a difference between killing rats and killing hedghogs.

Edited October 27, 2008 by zig zag wanderer

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[Guest blackntan]

Dad was a gamekeeper in Scottish borders. Trapped all year round, checked all year round. Hedgehogs by accident only, we never EVER took one as vermin. Stoats, weasels, rats, ferrets, mink, all trapped all year.

 

My dear old dad told me he would never like to see a ground with no vermin, no vermin means the land is sick, nothing further down the food chain including game.

 

He reared his own and released his own and still had time (made time) to restrict vermin, but as he said kippering is not even 20% killing, it is conservation in all things.

 

H

 

so from the ads at the bottom of your posts I'm guessing your closely linked to pest control??? if so when you see a client about rats or Roach's in a restaurant you tell them you can do the job but you will be leaving some kicking about as you believe in conservation in all things??????????

 

of have i got this wrong ?????????

are you a keeper or are you at college leaning keepering techniques,

[zig zag wanderer 0]

So are we saying hedghogs are fair game if you are a keeper?

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[Guest blackntan]

So are we saying hedghogs are fair game if you are a keeper?

 

Not I. They do far more good (around the garden only perhaps) than bad. I know they have taken eggs, I know on one of the islands they destroyed completely a ground nesting bird species (introduced by man most creatures run amok including hedgehogs. Rabbits in Australia being another example).

 

They are rare and happen to be one of my favourite animals and I hope because of their rareity I hope they will soon become protected.

 

H

THEY ARE PROTECTED BUT NOT RARE, GET TO KNOW THERE HABITS AND YOU CAN FIND THEM EVERY WERE , THERE BIGGEST ENEMY IS THE MOTORCAR

[will.f11 24]

fenn trap's dont discriminate against stoat's 'n' weasel's if your doing any amount of trapping sooner or later you will catch both.and IMO both need controlling...

get your self a see saw trap bud very good for weasels

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Or make one up. Apparently they are easy

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