Guest jarvey Posted June 13, 2008 Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 hi ive recently applied for an FAC and am currently looking to buy my first rifle. im stuck between two cz rifles, the 452 american and the 452 varmint. any opinions on the differences between the two. also if you know of any other rifles in the same price range then that would be great. its mainly for rabbits and foxes. wats everyones opinion on a sound moderator as well. needed or not? cheers, Jack Quote Link to post
SportingShooter 0 Posted June 13, 2008 Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 The American and the Varmint only differ in Barrel length and Barrel weight. The American has a 22.5" barrel while the Varmint comes in an 21" Heavy Barrel version, 18" and 16" Heavy Barrel versions are also available in the Varmint. I have an .17 HMR Varmint 16" which is screw cut and a SAK mod on it, I cannot fault them. I cannot think of a New gun in this range that is the same price or one which has a better reputation. As regards a Mod, you will never get rid of the crack of a supersonic round but the Mod does make a difference and it allows you to shoot it without ear protection. What calibre have you applied for and have you applied for a Mod on your application aswell? Regards SS Quote Link to post
Guest jarvey Posted June 13, 2008 Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 cheers for the reply. i thought that was the case but just needed to make sure. ive applied for .17hmr ammo and a sound moderator if i want to use one. do you use supersonic or subsonic ammo because am i right in saying subsonic gets rid of the crack as the bullet passes through the sound barrier. does anyone else know of any other rifles in the saem range? Quote Link to post
SportingShooter 0 Posted June 13, 2008 Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 cheers for the reply. i thought that was the case but just needed to make sure. ive applied for .17hmr ammo and a sound moderator if i want to use one. do you use supersonic or subsonic ammo because am i right in saying subsonic gets rid of the crack as the bullet passes through the sound barrier. does anyone else know of any other rifles in the saem range? There is no subsonic ammo for the HMR only .22LR. Yes you are perfectly correct that with subsonic ammo there is no crack with a moderator on, infact with a .22 and subs there is no noise at all. But a mod on a HMR with reduce the bang but there is still a fair crack. Regards SS Have a look at Savage and the Sako Quad, Quad is around £450 but not sure of the Savage. Quote Link to post
Guest jarvey Posted June 13, 2008 Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 there you go i didnt know that. im pretty new to hunting with full bore rifles. have done tonnes of shotgun shooting and working in mm ive fired alot of 5.56mm and 7.62mm down a range. but ive been reading a load of these posts and now i dont know whether i should get a .17 hmr rifle or a .223 could anyone give suggestions as to what i should get. my old mans a farmer so i use his land. have plenty of rabbits and foxes and ive seen a few muntjac before. whats the difference between the two Quote Link to post
dickyboy 1 Posted June 13, 2008 Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 rabbits foxes and deer i'd get a .22lr and a 223 as the 17 is illegal for deer and although great at alot of things is quite pricey to be a bunny basher and not really man enough to be an out and out fox gun(although capable of killing them, there just better out there) if you've got flat land with backstops being hard to find then yes go for 17 i regularly shoot 200 bunnies in a night so prob 250ish shots, its gets pricy with a 17 so 22 it is for me as i have hills and then 222/223 for foxes and 243 for the roe!! standard calibre set up for most shooters i'd reckon!!! Quote Link to post
Guest jarvey Posted June 13, 2008 Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 cheers for the info. the problem is i can only really afford the one rifle at the moment. will probably be able to afford to within a year so im looking for the perfect combination. im looking for some quite long range shooting as well. ive heard that a .223 is good for bunnies as well even though it can get messy. any thoughts? Quote Link to post
mattydski 560 Posted June 13, 2008 Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 (edited) cheers for the info. the problem is i can only really afford the one rifle at the moment. will probably be able to afford to within a year so im looking for the perfect combination. im looking for some quite long range shooting as well. ive heard that a .223 is good for bunnies as well even though it can get messy. any thoughts? Jarvey, It is an accurate round, with a reasonalbly flat trajectory, when compaired to a rim fire. It will also kill rabbits, at range, with out any problem. It will also gut, skin and cook em for you!! There is also the noise aspect to consider. If you are shooting rabbits at 80yds with a .22lr, sub sonic ammo and a moderator, second, third and fourth shot opportunities are common place. These wont come along so often with a moderated .223 at the same range. Also, look at the ammo prices and some of the quantities of ammo, people who have .22lr feel confident to shoot in an outing. In another post, one shooter admits shooting 250 rounds. You will need a second mortgage to do that with a .223. Also, one of the best ways to become profficient in shooting a rifle accurately and consistently is to put lots of rounds through a .22lr. It is affordable to shoot, and have fun with, without financial worries. 6p a round is commmon. Consider a .22lr for all but the longest shots. Matt Edited June 13, 2008 by mattydski Quote Link to post
Deker 3,491 Posted June 13, 2008 Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 (edited) cheers for the info. the problem is i can only really afford the one rifle at the moment. will probably be able to afford to within a year so im looking for the perfect combination. im looking for some quite long range shooting as well. ive heard that a .223 is good for bunnies as well even though it can get messy. any thoughts? Yep..loads of them..start by showing this thread to the FEO when you get the home visit and all your problems will be solved! Failing that you could always ask, lampingking, essexlad06, Guevara, wingshooter etc Edited June 13, 2008 by Deker Quote Link to post
dickyboy 1 Posted June 13, 2008 Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 well buy a 22 rifle to shoot bunnies and the odd fox then at close range then when you can afford to buy a second rifle............no rocket science there!!! I think i'm thinking along the same lines as deker .........have you really thought about this...If so please do before you ever shoot towards me or even pull the trigger Quote Link to post
Guest jarvey Posted June 13, 2008 Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 ye i was thinking about getting a .17 hmr instead of a .22 for the added range. i dont understand you mate. wat do you mean because im definitely not unsafe. have had too many lectures by the army on safety first to be careless and unsafe. im just unsure about getting a .223 or a .17 hmr as i can only afford one. getting confused mate haha Quote Link to post
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