lgray88 4 Posted June 6, 2008 Report Share Posted June 6, 2008 right, some of you may know i posted earlier about getting a larger gun put on my ticket (.243) problem is how ?? we dont have any deer or larger legal game to shoot up here in shetland and i dont think the licencin department will buy it that i want to shoot bunnies at a long distance. i did mention i wanted to try doing abit of stalking down in the mainland but if i put that down on the ticket will i not have all sorts of problems on gun transport, i dont want to get to many questions from the plod!! but if i cant get the larger caliber rifle ill just have to go for a .22-250 liam Quote Link to post
SportingShooter 0 Posted June 6, 2008 Report Share Posted June 6, 2008 If you had a receipt or booking confirmation from the estate on the mainland, the Licensing department should grant you a ticket if they think you have enough experience. Transport, depends on your ferry/airline and their policy of carrying firearms. Do you have fox up there? SS Quote Link to post
shotgun 0 Posted June 7, 2008 Report Share Posted June 7, 2008 when you say problems on transport do you mean ferrys etc ,as far as that goes lock the gun up securly in boot an take the bolt with you my mates take guns across to ireland shooting every year,no problems so far ,sorry im presuming you have a moter that is Quote Link to post
lgray88 4 Posted June 7, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2008 i could try what you say SS see how it goes aint held my licence that long so il leave it a while yet, in the mean time ill get hold of some people offering shooting trips on the mainland, as for the car i have one but dont have a licence you dont need a licence where i live . No fox up here by the way , but the 22-250 would be good for the hares have alot of them ! liam Quote Link to post
scotrat 2 Posted June 8, 2008 Report Share Posted June 8, 2008 i could try what you say SS see how it goes aint held my licence that long so il leave it a while yet, in the mean time ill get hold of some people offering shooting trips on the mainland, as for the car i have one but dont have a licence you dont need a licence where i live . No fox up here by the way , but the 22-250 would be good for the hares have alot of them ! liam Liam I don't get it why do you want a larger calibre such as the .243 or 22-250??? for hairs It also doesn't matter how long you have had your ticket either if you can prove good cause you will be granted the rifle you need. I don't think you will be granted such a large calibre for hairs though you would be better going for .17hmr,.22 mag for hairs or even .222 which is a legal calibre for Roe Deer in Scotland if the need arises. Quote Link to post
lgray88 4 Posted June 8, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2008 i just want a rifle that can help me go that bit further distance and ive heard that the .22-250 is very accurate as my dealer up here uses one on the hares and rabbits at distance its just my own preference i guess. i wouldnt be saying that i would be using it for hares i need to find a more beleiveable story it wont be for a few months yet! liam Quote Link to post
SportingShooter 0 Posted June 8, 2008 Report Share Posted June 8, 2008 You certainly wont need a .22-250 for Hares at distance,the mess a .22-250 makes on a Fox is immense let alone something the size of a Hare, anything up to 200 yards, if you can hit them, the HMR is fine. Anything more and a .22 Hornet would take them to 250+ 200 or 250 yards is a very long way especially on the lamp. When you say you wont be shooting Hares with it, what exactly do you mean, If you intend to shoot anything else with it then your FAC needs to be conditioned as such. You risk losing all of your guns if you break the conditions on your FAC. Regards SS Quote Link to post
lgray88 4 Posted June 8, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2008 i didnt know that you could break the terms of the fac thought it was ok as long as you were doing everything legally no matter what your quarry is. i would go for a .22 hornet SS but i need the use of something more powerful for work thats why i thought the .243 would be good then i could go for a few trips to the mainland but our local policeman says that it wont be easy to get a larger caliber rifle up in the shetlands as we dont have any deer Quote Link to post
SportingShooter 0 Posted June 8, 2008 Report Share Posted June 8, 2008 I take it you are wanting to shoot Seals to protect fish stocks? You can have a gun specifically for that and conditiones as such on your FAC, some of the local fishermen to me have as big as a .308 for shooting seals whilst at sea. I even think that a .308 is the lowest recommended calibre, will have to check that one. If you have a genuine good reason to shoot them then you will get the rifle. As for breaking the conditions, yes your FAC has a number of conditions, one is you can only shoot what it says you can shoot with a particular gun, If your FAC says you can only shoot Fox with a .223 for example then Fox is all you can shoot. If you are caught doing this then you can lose your Firearms and Shotguns and more than likely be banned from keeping firearms. Regards SS Quote Link to post
lgray88 4 Posted June 8, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2008 yes thats correct SS , but im not sure if there going to ban it completely soon enough if so it will be a big problem for our salmon , as the seals kill thousands , what is the cost diffrence from feeding a .243 compared to a .308 ? liam Quote Link to post
SportingShooter 0 Posted June 8, 2008 Report Share Posted June 8, 2008 .243 is probably about the same for most of the stuff, some is more expensive than the .308 like specialised Varmint rounds and such. If I were you I would not be wandering how expensive a round is to shoot, just if it will get the job done, injuring Seals is going to get you nowhere in terms of future FAC acquisitions if they find out. If you can show the damage they cause then go for a variation and see what they say. A .308 is a big round so just make sure you hit the target or it will bounce for miles along a smooth sea. Regards SS Quote Link to post
lgray88 4 Posted June 9, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 it seems quite a overly caliber just to kill a seal ! ive seen .223 manage no problem but obviously i want to be legal . when you mean show the damage, can i take pictures and send with the variation ? liam Quote Link to post
SportingShooter 0 Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 Yes and No, Yes take pictures and keep a log of the times when the seals are causing damage, take a picture for each log entry and date and sign it on the back. Send in your variation as normal, I have checked up on it and it seems the .308 is the standard calibre according to my FEO. If they grant it then great, If they want some proof, then you can show it to them but I would avoid sending evidence in with a variation, wait until they ask for it. Regards SS Quote Link to post
lgray88 4 Posted June 9, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 you say evidence , there surely cant be a problem with sending pictures of salmon to the licencing department?. should i try to get deer on to the .308 aswell when i send in the variation as id like to go away at some point to give it ago ?? liam Quote Link to post
SportingShooter 0 Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 There is no problem with sending it but it may be uneccessary, hold back until they ask for it as it may be beneficial to you. I would leave it for 12 months so when you want to go Stalking, it can be shown you have much experience with a large calibre rifle. Once you have fired say 100-200 rounds at both live and target, then try for Deer. Regards SS Quote Link to post
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