bull blood in terriers

[Guest grubygrafter]

i am of the opinion that bull blood is detrimental to the breeding of good working terriers i bellieve it is better to look around and find decent terriers carrying the charicteristics that you are looking for.the hunting instinct ect what is your opinion :aggressive:

[Guest erb]

You probly write mate with the bulldogs its widley known that you get the best dogs [bANNED TEXT] you breed within a famaly of dogs inbreeding outcrossin and line breeding .. if you cross you will get a litter full of highbrid vigour n some handy dogs but if you lookin long term for reliable dogs you breed em nice n tight ,

 

I know nothin about earth dogs so it may be different ....

[Kane 2]

There are quite a few lads that swear by a bit of Bull blood in their terriers and these lads get results.If the right stud is used wastage (over sized pups) is kept to a minimum.The reason I supose you would use a bit of Bull blood would be to perhaps improve the bone size and head size aswell as putting a bit more fire in your terriers.I havnt ever knowingly owned a terrier that has recently had bull blood added but a lot of terriers I have owned show at a guess that a bit of Bull was added in the past.I wouldnt think there are many working terriers of any type that dont have a dash of bull blood in there veins,wether it shows or if the owner knows is a different matter.

[Guest knocavoeboy]

thats a strong lookin terrier kane what height and weight is he. not much to give scale in the pic some head on him!!

[Kane 2]

He is 13 inches and about 26 pounds

[Kye 77]

Would LOVE a dog like that Kane...could use him here, but not in ALL the earths...be a good dog to have for Coon and Fox here...plus, he looks liek he could be naughty for a bit of barn hunting (Raccoon)..

Kye,..

[Guest tim]

We have actually been running and monitoring a programme which introduced bull blood into the gene pool of terriers in 1998, and still have most of the generations still alive and on view - its been most interesting watching the generations throwing out various traits, and in the more recent generations the re introduction of pure blood from working lines - dynamite they are, a bit much in some cases, give me the 3-4 generations anytime, at least they know how to chill.

[Guest grubygrafter]

what size are the terriers comming to. and are the terriers not to square in the chest to get in most earths. ide be interested to know how they turn out once you breed closely. i have now doupt they will have bottle but a good terrier needs more. how has it affected there noses.?? cs

[Guest ROOSTER]

IT DOESN'T AFFECT THE NOSE IT'S STILL AT THE END OF THE SNOUT JUST ABOVE THE MOUTH.

[Guest grubygrafter]

rooster what i meant was are bullx noses fatter and flatter. as apossed to the none bull types being more pointeder

[J Darcy 5,871]

perhaps the most important thing is just exactly WHAT bull was used. there would be little point using a peice of cur bred rubbish really, IMHO, as others have done.

[Guest tim]

thinking on that in the first instance bull blood was introduced through the female lines back to a pure bred working terrier. from this 8 puppies were born, the three that resembled the original terriers were kept and put back into the gene pool, - 1 dog - 2 bitches.

2nd generation was unstable , some dogs picking out the bull gene and growing huge, also colour was an issue - yet the good was good. 3rd generation was more stable , some superb dogs came from this, these have been the backbone of the project along with a small number of 2nd generation- not forgetting our already existing established pure lines. From these outcross dogs a small none fault carrying pure male was introduced, the result was a stable line, good sound typey dogs - and thats in 4 generations. Selective breeding has been the key, knowing your stock, using and breeding from only the best.

 

 

you tell me which is which? still, we have a long wat to go yet.

anyone who is really interested in the work can always pm me, but I wont answer stupid questions

[fellman 116]

it sure does geronimo ................always said much the same myself ..yis fellman

[Stabs 3]

i am of the opinion that bull blood is detrimental to the breeding of good working terriers i bellieve it is better to look around and find decent terriers carrying the charicteristics that you are looking for.the hunting instinct ect what is your opinion :aggressive:

 

I reckon you are right CS but then again, when I sit and think about it, I can easily dissuade myself I reckon it all depends on why you are doing it and what dogs you are using to be honest. Your ultimate aims must also come into the equation and sometimes a dog with a bit of substance is needed. Personally when I've had terriers in the past I've looked to other terriers when mating and tried to avoid heavily bull blooded dogs, but I've had mates who've done the exact opposite and had great results. Me and my pal used to knock about with some gypos and they were always using bull russells in the woods, and they got the job done, even though they'd need a lay up. These lads didn't give two fucks about that though as they were strictly part time. When it's an occasion like that then I don't suppose it matters much.

 

We've been on the other end of the scale when it would have been very easy to say "add a bit of bull" as the dogs we had were simply not up to much. The reality of the situation was such that the addition of bull blood was mentioned to simply mask the fact that the dogs we were using were plainly not up to the job. We could have added bull and seen what that did, but we were honest with ourselves and despite the years we'd been using the dogs, we called it a day. If the dog needs infusion to help it work, as in our case, then it just ain't worth breeding from in the first place.

[Guest grubygrafter]

We've been on the other end of the scale when it would have been very easy to say "add a bit of bull" as the dogs we had were simply not up to much. The reality of the situation was such that the addition of bull blood was mentioned to simply mask the fact that the dogs we were using were plainly not up to the job. We could have added bull and seen what that did, but we were honest with ourselves and despite the years we'd been using the dogs, we called it a day. If the dog needs infusion to help it work, as in our case, then it just ain't worth breeding from in the first place.

 

 

tim the dog on the left is the better specemin. should of got first but its the working side of the breed i was on about.

and the natural trait of going to ground. is like nose..often secondary to gameness. also the general makeup of the animal ,,size and ,,shape.

the best place to find blood is in a strain or breed of regularly worked terrier carrying the charicteristic you need to impove your stuff.

if your stuff needs major surgery you gotta wonder if its worth it imo