Shot Gun Transfers

[EvanBG 0]

Hi, I am looking to borrow a shot gun from friend (A) so that I can then lend the gun to friend (. Friend B will use the gun to shoot on my land, and I will supervise him as he does not have an SGC. After the shoot, I will then return the shot gun to friend A, so I will have the gun for less than 72 hours. The notes on the SGC are big on notifying the police if you transfer a gun for MORE than 72 hours, but say nothing if it is less. Do I have to enter the details of borrowed gun onto my SGC, or is there no requirement to create a paper trail of this transaction? If it makes a difference, I am living in Scotland. Thanks for your help and Merry Christmas!

 

Evan BG

[rossandjet 0]

I think it would be better if you were to let friend B the use of your own gun and you use friend A's gun. Remember if friend B were to damage friend A's gun, you might not have a friend A for long.

 

I note that you intend to supervise your friends shooing, but if you are also shooting you can't be on top of his supervision full time.

 

You would do well to remember also, that if other people are shooting, they might not be too happy if your friend does not have insurance cover.

 

The best solution is to let your friend use your gun and you just supervise :toast:him.

 

As the law stands, I think you would be ok, as the weapon would be used on your own private property.

 

If it were just you and your friend having a walk up day your problems would be halved.

[stubby 175]

also, you'd get more response if you posted in the correct section , say, shotguns maybe,

this is the introduction section, so introduce yaself, then ask the same question in the other section

[john b 38]

good plan Stubby I have moved it.

 

I don't have time to look up all the specifics of this at the moment but I would agree with the general gist of the answers so far.

 

I think it's important that you shoot with the borrowed gun and then lend yours on. This is because I believe you're using two seperate bits of law here. This is UK law so I don't think it changes for Scotland, but it might.

 

A sgc holder can lend his or her gun to another sgc holder for up to 72 hours without notification, certificate amendment or anything. But not to a non sgc holder at all.

 

The law also allows a SGC holder to allow an non SGC holder to shoot on their land uner their direct supervision and with their gun.

 

I'd have to check the details or someone like the BASC could confirm. However if you are s'posed to be supervising them can you realisticlly be shooting at the same time ? maybe you only nee one gun ?

[Deker 3,478]

John has it spot on with this....

 

I think it's important that you shoot with the borrowed gun and then lend yours on. This is because I believe you're using two seperate bits of law here. This is UK law so I don't think it changes for Scotland, but it might.

 

A sgc holder can lend his or her gun to another sgc holder for up to 72 hours without notification, certificate amendment or anything. But not to a non sgc holder at all.

 

The law also allows a SGC holder to allow an non SGC holder to shoot on their land uner their direct supervision and with their gun.

 

To clarify other matters.......

 

Home Office Firearms Law Guidance to Police 2002

 

Exemptions from the requirement to hold a certificate

 

Shot Guns

 

1968 Act

 

Section 11(5) of the 1968 Act allows an individual, without holding a shot gun certificate, to borrow a shot gun from the occupier of private premises and use it on those premises in the occupiers presence. The presence of the occupier is normally taken to mean within sight and earshot of the individual borrowing the firearm.

 

 

 

Rifles

 

1968 Act

 

Section 16.1 of the Act enables a person to borrow a rifle from the occupier of private premises and to use it on those premises in the presence of either the occupier or their servant without holding a firearm certificate in respect of that rifle.

 

 

 

 

The term "occupier" is not defined in the Firearms Act, nor has a court clarified its meaning. However, the Firearms Consultative Committee in their 5th Annual Report recommended that the provisions of section 27 of the Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981 be adopted. This states that "occupier" in relation to any land, other than the foreshore, includes any person having any right of hunting, shooting, fishing or taking game or fish.

 

Hope this helps

 

Cheers

Deker