Guest Frank Posted October 24, 2007 Report Share Posted October 24, 2007 Right then. I was out with a fella doing a bit of long ear running the other day and got talking about some bloke that we know of who breeds pure saluki's for show. He is dead against coursing this fella and loves his pamperd salukis. The fella i was with, had a big argument with him, in a pub, when he bumped into this character, about how some show salukis, have lost their hunting instinct threw bad breeding ect. This has me thinking and over the years, im finding more and more harder to come by GOOD solid working stock, from well known lines! From all types of working breeds. Why, because Ireland, in the last 15 odd years, has come up a lot in the world, money is everywhere and dogs are ten a penny. At one time, folks only kept the right stuff, do or die, not do or take pity then breed!! Thought id put up a poll here, now, you dont have to answer any quetions, if you want to remain discrete, ect, just vote, as i really want to see, whats what out their, who breeds for the sake of breeding ect. If it turns out votes only, no bother. Please, vote honestly. One of the few examples would be, David Hancock, how come he makes so much money ect and is still surviving, when 90% on here, seem dead against his dogs ect? Cheers, Frank. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kay 3,709 Posted October 24, 2007 Report Share Posted October 24, 2007 Is this just breeding dogs or any species ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Frank Posted October 24, 2007 Report Share Posted October 24, 2007 Is this just breeding dogs or any species ? Just working dogs FL. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kay 3,709 Posted October 24, 2007 Report Share Posted October 24, 2007 Is this just breeding dogs or any species ? Just working dogs FL. oh ok Frank i can put my soap box aside then Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ditch_Shitter Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 I've just voted that I don't breed, Frank. Not 100%, strictly true, of course. It's hard, in a life time of Dogs, not to find yeself with the odd litter. But I've only had three litters in my time and allowed one of my Dogs to stud once. Two of the three litters were accidents ~ I f*cked up and a Dog got at the bitch. One was played for, because we had some dynamite blood and there was a huge demand for it. Time I allowed my Dog to stud someone elses bitch? He was certainly a well bred Dog and I rather fancied a pup myself. But having said that, looking back? I shouldn't have allowed it. And all that was decades ago anyway. We live and learn. I've had people drooling to use my current big Dog for stud. I won't have it. I know why not. I know the Dog. Looks aren't everything. If someone wants what they percieve he may have? Let them find a similar, but much better Dog. And then they can try to get past That Dogs keeper too. And to do that? They'd better have a provably superb bitch. Simple as that, as far as I'm concerned. None of my Dogs are worth a light to, to anyone but me. Anyone who wants to breed from my stuff, just because how they look has no chance to start with. And, equelly, anyone who wants to test wether my stuff's worth breeding from? They'd soon change their minds, once they scratched the surface. If I want a first class Dog, I'll go to a proven, first class breeder or proven, first class Dogs. Then, if I get one? See the third paragraph Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Frank Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 Thanks folks. I hope everyone is voting the truth? Even though you breed for proffit ect, please state that you do, you dont have to put who you are, if you want to keep it queit. I just want to try and get a picture, of whats going on, so dont be affraid to vote the truth. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest oldskool Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 i've had an accident too... now i'm rearing 7 russell pups, father of the pup took off working well but failed and the mother from a working strain is only a pup herself but she took to being a very good mum... i'm plannin on selling them as pets... i usually only breed if i'm plannin on keeping one but this time was a mistake... i dont think i'm a peddler for selling pets... it would be alot worse if i was trying to flog them as top class workers Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Frank Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 Good man OS for being honest. Hows the bull cross pups you kept back coming on? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Macnas Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 I voted "don't breed", but if my current cocker pup comes good, then I'll consider it at some stage. She's fom one of the few Irish based working cocker lines. Mind you, if she doesn't come good, then I'll never consider it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bosun11 537 Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 I suppose I'm the same as Ditch, in that I voted that I don't breed but I have had two litters in the last 25 years. The first was 17 years ago after buying a good honest bitch that I had always admired, she was sold and I missed her first time round but she went to a messer who ran her on hard ground till she went lame. I had a look at the bitch for him and told him that she would be out of action for a while and no permanent damage was done. Two days later I recieved a phone call, he couldn't be arsed waiting and so, she was mine. Three weeks later and shes putting on weight . The resulting litter were out of a young dog he also owned, not my cup of tea and so advertised locally to working homes for £20.00 each. Some made handy animals and he got what he deserved........(and NO, it wasn't pick of the litter!!! ) The second litter, bred two years ago, was out of my old bitch, she was out bred out of the best and always gave me her best, i've never owned better. At 8 years old I would have been a fool to let her pass. Put to a top animal out of the same line, the results were just what I hoped for and at this early stage, for me and the people who own them, I did the right thing. As far as i'm concerned there are far to many litters bred, some are very good but most are just bred from poor stuff by people who want to put sommat better in...... wrongly thinking they can create something better without forking out for it..... It rarely works that way, with most enduring poor and short working lives to end up in local animal shelters. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cúagusgiorraí 57 Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 Hi Frank! I feel that the show dogs are being ruined by the breeders. Bred for looks and not working capability. I think it is great that some people are trying to breed back certain breeds to keep the old working dogs, for example american bulldogs, or the parson jack russell. I would never breed my dogs. I feel that they have to be really good, in order to breed. There is far too many dogs out there anyway. Alot of puppy farmers trying to make profit and creating dogs with terrible genetic disorders. Take the rough collie, it cant do anything now. Even the poor old borzoi. It would never have the ability to catch and hold a wolf like it was bred to do. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest oldskool Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 Good man OS for being honest. Hows the bull cross pups you kept back coming on? no runs on the lamp yet frank but she is sitting, retrievin fairly well and her jumping is improving!! i passed her brother onto morris from here... his has done alot more work on the lamp and i think he's pleased so far! ... bred them for my own use because the grandparents and parents were excellent dogs R.I.P... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Frank Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 Thats great news OS. Thanks for letting me know how they are getting on, i reckon their in good hands, the best of luck. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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