tomas 9 Posted November 7, 2012 Report Share Posted November 7, 2012 I took the pup out with my mates collie cross for a walk and all the pup did was mount him I tried shouting at him and he stopped for 5 mins then started again I tried puting him back on the lead but as soon as I let him off he started again he's only 10 month old. Any advice would be great ta tom Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Casso 1,264 Posted November 8, 2012 Report Share Posted November 8, 2012 I took the pup out with my mates collie cross for a walk and all the pup did was mount him I tried shouting at him and he stopped for 5 mins then started again I tried puting him back on the lead but as soon as I let him off he started again he's only 10 month old. Any advice would be great ta tom this action usually occurs when energy isn't flowing, standing round with no movement happening, as you say he's only 10 months and its a real puppy action that starts in the first few weeks , a pup get disciplined for biting a puppy mate too hard but still wants to make a connection to get energy (play) flowing feels he cant mouth so mounts instead, it is not about Dominance, get the two of them out free running , the other pup may have snapped at your pup thus preventing the mouthing action most pups are drawn to, also you could get him on a tug item it bring the energy expression back up to its jaws where it should be, best of luck bud, 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tomas 9 Posted November 8, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2012 It was while free runing. My mates collie cross didn't put him in is place like normal but there was just the two dogs as my mate didn't bring his bull cross out as when they are all out the collie doesn't seem to stand for it and has a snap and the pup leaves him alone Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tomas 9 Posted November 8, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2012 Also I was taught not to play tug with sight hounds iv done lots of tug training with my staff. Apart from that he is a brill dog his recall is perfect nearly 10 out of 10 same with his retrieve ta for your help Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tomas 9 Posted November 8, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2012 Also the collie cross is not a pup he's 4 years old Quote Link to post Share on other sites
socks 32,253 Posted November 8, 2012 Report Share Posted November 8, 2012 It's a dominance thing fella the pup is trying to assert his dominance over the other dog at 10 months of age he will be getting a surge of hormones ... In human terms he is acting like a cocky testosterone filled horny teenager that wants to be the daddy ......... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hutch6 550 Posted November 8, 2012 Report Share Posted November 8, 2012 It's an action directly connected with energy, over excitement and play as Casso says. Nothing to do with dominance as my castrated male collies mount eac hother as does my spayed long bitch. It usually occurs after a bit of argey bargey leg biting and neck grappling. If you dog is doing it as soon as it gets the chance then it needs to be taught that it isn't an acceptable behaviour. You are doing this by putting it back ont he lead - negative reinforcement - and the dog that is being mounted will put the dog in it's place and teach it some manners. There is nothing better for teacing a dog manners than another dog. Try and nip it in the bud before it happens by having the pup on a long line so when it rounds the back of the dog or goes to put its paws on the dog you can remove the dog before the mounting happens. Don't let the pup run on a slack long line though, you must always be in contact with the pup. It takes a bit of practice to do but it instills distance control in them as well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tomas 9 Posted November 8, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2012 Thank you for your advice the collie cross when out with my mates bull cross does snap at him but he seemed to let it happen last night and didn't snap he just stood there and let it happen which is strange for him as he is usual the 1st to put a dog back in its place Quote Link to post Share on other sites
socks 32,253 Posted November 8, 2012 Report Share Posted November 8, 2012 It's an action directly connected with energy, over excitement and play as Casso says. Nothing to do with dominance as my castrated male collies mount eac hother as does my spayed long bitch. It usually occurs after a bit of argey bargey leg biting and neck grappling. If you dog is doing it as soon as it gets the chance then it needs to be taught that it isn't an acceptable behaviour. You are doing this by putting it back ont he lead - negative reinforcement - and the dog that is being mounted will put the dog in it's place and teach it some manners. There is nothing better for teacing a dog manners than another dog. Try and nip it in the bud before it happens by having the pup on a long line so when it rounds the back of the dog or goes to put its paws on the dog you can remove the dog before the mounting happens. Don't let the pup run on a slack long line though, you must always be in contact with the pup. It takes a bit of practice to do but it instills distance control in them as well. Just because a dog is neutered and a bitch is spayed it doesn't mean they become completely submissive they will still mount other dogs .... Mounting is the ultimate show of dominance .......... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hutch6 550 Posted November 8, 2012 Report Share Posted November 8, 2012 I will agree to disagree. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Casso 1,264 Posted November 8, 2012 Report Share Posted November 8, 2012 following on from whats already been put down, why do pups start this action in the nest box, if dominance is about control of resources, there are plenty of resources available milk, food etc plus no raging hormones in their bodies, if you can use the hormone concept for a teenage dog how do you explain a much earlier occurrence, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
socks 32,253 Posted November 8, 2012 Report Share Posted November 8, 2012 Dogs spend their whole life vying for dominance and it starts as soon as they can move around and play ... Play in pups is partly to assert dominance within the pack and if the pups were kept together it would increase in ferocity as they grow older ... It becomes more obvious as the dog reaches puberty ............... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Casso 1,264 Posted November 8, 2012 Report Share Posted November 8, 2012 so can a neutered wolf ever be pack leader if its not a hormone concept and why would he want to,,it either is related to hormones or not, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rogue with a running dog 22 Posted November 8, 2012 Report Share Posted November 8, 2012 it is a dominance thing mate it is trying to be dominent over the other dog Quote Link to post Share on other sites
troter58 1,711 Posted November 8, 2012 Report Share Posted November 8, 2012 when this dog i have now was around that age was nick named the guy lord would bum any dog it seen just grew out of it after a few close shaves off the other dogs just a teenage stage they go through atb Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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