anythingoes 28 Posted February 18, 2011 Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 (edited) Hi all , it's been a while since I've been on as some of you are aware , hope use haven't missed me to much . Any how been doing a bit of reading and came across this in a truly interesting book ,generally I agree, but what's your thoughts or opinions? Truly have a read at it, it made me think !!!!! The work of a terrier is,or was,the destruction of vermin-rats,weasels,stoats,hedgehogs,foxes,otters and of course badgers - and the word terrier originally implied a small dog used for this purpose. With the coming of dog shows owners were provided with another object for which such dogs might be bred and used - the winning of prizes to be awarded for make and shape and general appearance - and at the present time far more terriers are bred for show than for work. There are in the British Isles many distinct breeds most,if all,of which originated in working strains. It is difficult to believe that an Airedale or a Kerry Blue of the size of modern representatives of those breeds could have been used to bolt fox, but the Skye, the Scottish or Aberdeen, the Dandie Dinmont, the Border, the York-shire, the Bedlington, the Irish, the Welsh the Wire and Smooth Fox-terriers, the Sealyham and others are undoubtedly the descendants of hard-bitten little dogs employed in the keeping down of vermin. There are those who believe that the annual hound show held at Peterborough has done infinite harm to the foxhound, in that it has caused masters of hounds to breed for looks rather than work. While not necessarily supporting that view, I think none will deny that there must be temptation to use a stallion hound one which has taken a coveted first at Peterborough, even if his capabilities in the field are only mediocre,rather than the hound which though he can drag up to and unkennel his fox when no other hound in the pack can own the line, and moreover is a tireless worker with a beautiful voice, yet lacks certain of those points of conformation which the show-bench requires.The rule that no hound may be exhibited unless it belongs to a recognised pack, and the natural desire of all masters of the hounds to show sport and kill foxes,ensures that the working capabilities of the hounds selected for breeding are not entirely lost sight of, but the same cannot be said of terriers for show use there dogs for work, in fact not many have the opportunity, consequently the present-day studbook terrier is, generally speaking, a dog which even with careful training will not make a first class working terrier. This remark applies more particularly to those breeds which have been bred for show for Generations. It must be borne in mind that the fact that the terrier will kill a rat does not entitle it to be classed as a "working terrier"; this term usually applied to one which has been entered to fox otter or badger. A terrier may be "of a working stain" but it is not, strictly speaking, a "working terrier" until it has been to ground and faced fox, otter or badger in the dark, and it is not a really good working terrier until it can and will do very much more than that. A dog which has earned the title may be a likened to a man in the days of our forefathers who won his spurs on the field of battle ; it is an honour not to be inherited but to be fought for. Edited February 19, 2011 by anythingoes 5 Quote Link to post
tearem 31 Posted February 18, 2011 Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 I agree. Hasn't the ruination of the show breeds, especially terriers,"shown" us what show leads us to? The terrier as such will only exist when in the hands of you guys over here who work them honestly and don't go to shows, best of all not even "working terrier" shows. Showing a working terrier is a contradiction anyway. My best ones surely don't look showy.... Quote Link to post
anythingoes 28 Posted February 18, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 I agree. Hasn't the ruination of the show breeds, especially terriers,"shown" us what show leads us to? The terrier as such will only exist when in the hands of you guys over here who work them honestly and don't go to shows, best of all not even "working terrier" shows. Showing a working terrier is a contradiction anyway. My best ones surely don't look showy.... A fair comment but, as I'm sure you're well aware its something to do in the summer and it can and has happened for a winning shower to deserve the same reward for its working ability as it has for it stance,looks,physic but again that's only an opinion. But Terriers shouldn't be bread for showing purposes especially in a working show , hey is that not what crufts is for ATB Anythingoes 1 Quote Link to post
tearem 31 Posted February 18, 2011 Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 My best ones still don't look showy in the summer. Teeth out, ears in rags, nose in rags....lot of work. Quote Link to post
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tearem 31 Posted February 18, 2011 Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 Oh yeah. Before their first or second season, I take a stance picture of them, to remember them as a whole. They have a nice strong lower jaw then, afterwards...nay mate. No lips no lower jaw parts. We do those too and even if it was not meant to, at pig hunts, they come across one in the maize or below....after 3 seasons none of mine has a perfect "under line". 1 Quote Link to post
anythingoes 28 Posted February 18, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 (edited) By the look of your avatar.your a right showman atb banny if you check I'm a lurcher man who owns a few well bread terriers ,its not got to lose a jaw ,just to be a proven true working terrier ,all it has to do is keep it ata bay, till it getts a hand, now why the dig only asckin what people though about the topic not my avitar so just to keep you ok i have removed it to save a valid post. Edited February 18, 2011 by anythingoes 3 Quote Link to post
bannyboy 3 Posted February 18, 2011 Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 By the look of your avatar.your a right showman atb banny if you check I'm a lurcher man who owns a few well bread terriers ,its not got to lose a jaw ,just to be a proven true working terrier ,all it has to do is keep it ata bay, till it getts a hand, now why the dig only asckin what people though about the topic not my avitar so just to keep you ok i have removed it to save a valid post. All ithas to do is keep it at bay ,till it gets a hand.How many terriers do you put to ground at one time like.banny Quote Link to post
anythingoes 28 Posted February 18, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 By the look of your avatar.your a right showman atb banny if you check I'm a lurcher man who owns a few well bread terriers ,its not got to lose a jaw ,just to be a proven true working terrier ,all it has to do is keep it ata bay, till it getts a hand, now why the dig only asckin what people though about the topic not my avitar so just to keep you ok i have removed it to save a valid post. All ithas to do is keep it at bay ,till it gets a hand.How many terriers do you put to ground at one time like.banny i'm not going to explain myself to ou and its not about me !!! READ THE POST!!!!! 1 Quote Link to post
Nick 14 Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 I agree. Hasn't the ruination of the show breeds, especially terriers,"shown" us what show leads us to? The terrier as such will only exist when in the hands of you guys over here who work them honestly and don't go to shows, best of all not even "working terrier" shows. Showing a working terrier is a contradiction anyway. My best ones surely don't look showy.... Not taking a dig at you Saskia, but saying that, you will help or even judge at a show in April?! Think the problem is that people take show too serious. It can be a good day to meet people and have some fun that day, but the worth of a dog can only be determined by judging his true working abillity. At a show the only thing that can be judged is the construction of a dog nothingg more nothing less. So with a workingdogshow is nothing wrong in my opinion as long as people see it in the right perspective. See it as a nice day out other than a true evaluation of your dog as being a true specimen to breed from. Frank70 2 Quote Link to post
fidodido 30 Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 I agree. Hasn't the ruination of the show breeds, especially terriers,"shown" us what show leads us to? The terrier as such will only exist when in the hands of you guys over here who work them honestly and don't go to shows, best of all not even "working terrier" shows. Showing a working terrier is a contradiction anyway. My best ones surely don't look showy.... Not taking a dig at you Saskia, but saying that, you will help or even judge at a show in April?! Think the problem is that people take show too serious. It can be a good day to meet people and have some fun that day, but the worth of a dog can only be determined by judging his true working abillity. At a show the only thing that can be judged is the construction of a dog nothingg more nothing less. So with a workingdogshow is nothing wrong in my opinion as long as people see it in the right perspective. See it as a nice day out other than a true evaluation of your dog as being a true specimen to breed from. Frank70 too right fella :thumbs: Quote Link to post
CarraghsGem 92 Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 I agree. Hasn't the ruination of the show breeds, especially terriers,"shown" us what show leads us to? The terrier as such will only exist when in the hands of you guys over here who work them honestly and don't go to shows, best of all not even "working terrier" shows. Showing a working terrier is a contradiction anyway. My best ones surely don't look showy.... Not taking a dig at you Saskia, but saying that, you will help or even judge at a show in April?! Think the problem is that people take show too serious. It can be a good day to meet people and have some fun that day, but the worth of a dog can only be determined by judging his true working abillity. At a show the only thing that can be judged is the construction of a dog nothingg more nothing less. So with a workingdogshow is nothing wrong in my opinion as long as people see it in the right perspective. See it as a nice day out other than a true evaluation of your dog as being a true specimen to breed from. Frank70 too right fella :thumbs: pretty much how i feel about it, saying that i keep putting my black dogs into the ring despite the fact they're too damn ugly to win owt i think they are handsome even if no-one else does Quote Link to post
anythingoes 28 Posted February 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 there are some interesting points being raised ,its funny how a book can almost change the perspective of what you believe or tink to be correct atb anythingoes 1 Quote Link to post
artful212 394 Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 went to a " working " dog show were the winning terrier was taking to a sett ! if shows like this were about more for genuine terrier men ther wouldn be so much dirt atb artful 2 Quote Link to post
anythingoes 28 Posted February 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 went to a " working " dog show were the winning terrier was taking to a sett ! if shows like this were about more for genuine terrier men ther wouldn be so much dirt atb artful sadly that doesn't happen at these parts but it would be good to help out with some control at an earth as a prize ,sadly thats not the case , but again it's a good day out and to meet the genuine folk , but again the post is about raising a terrier for show and to call it a worker without beeing in the dark does it mean it has to do all , be smashed up or work for the reason it was bread and posibly more ? 2 Quote Link to post
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