quick question?

[tepper82 0]

alright guys, hope uve all had a good weekend! just looking through some of the topics on ere and wondering what you all mean when you mention hold over and mildots when aiming at a target?? new to this game so just wondering.

 

nice 1

 

tepper

[pest hunter 151 15]

Yes I asked this question a while ago. Hold over/under is when you aim up or down depending on distance/angle to hit the correct kill zone, people normaly use a milly dot scope to do this. A milly dot scope is a scope with dots up and down the cross hairs to help you aim.

 

 

Hope this helps

[zini 1,939]

Hi Tepper mate,

 

In layman’s terms it’s putting the cross hairs above the intended target and lobbing the pellet in order to enable the pellet to impact on a range further than your normal zero point.

 

If you were to zero at 30 yards, you could hit rabbits all day at 30 yards but it the rabbit was at 35 yards in .22 calibre and you aimed on the cross hair you would still hit the rabbit but most probably in the lower jaw or neck depending on which way the rabbit was facing.

 

We only go for a kill zone of a rabbit which is 2.5cm in diameter or 1 inch and this is between the eye of the bunny and its ear.

 

Basically the rabbit’s brain.

 

Neck and lower jaw shots only wound which give the rabbit time to run off and go down its hole to die in a horrific way.

 

When talking about hold over or hold under people get confused very easily with which is which.

 

Basically think of everything in relation to the cross hair.

 

If the cross hairs are above the target you are lobbing a pellet further than your normal zero point so because there above the target its called hold over.

 

Likewise if the cross hairs are below the target you are shooting something between your first zero point and the second zero point.

 

Because the cross hairs are below the target this is called hold under.

 

A mil dot scope is a scope that has tiny dots up and down the vertical post to give you more aim points.

 

This is for hold under (when a target is at a range that the pellet is above the scope line of sight) and hold over as already said.

 

Ill show you some pics of a Specialised Reticule (SR) and a mil dot scope reticule pal.

 

The first one is a SR and the second one is a normal mil dot reticule.

 

An experienced shot will know which mil dot to use at different ranges from 10 yards right out to 50 yards.

 

It just means that you hit the kill zone every time as long as the conditions are perfect, i.e. wind and you do your part with the rifle.

 

Si

Edited May 23, 2010 by zini

[JackReid 35]

Zini's explained it basically mate.

 

One thing I'll add is you obviously dont need a mildot scope to do this. I've been shooting for a few year and have always had normal reticle scopes until recently when I bought a new one. I would zero at 25meters and then wouldmove back to 30 meters and shoot the same target and see how much more I had to aim above to hit it as the pellet is dropping after about 20 meters.

 

The benefit of mildots is it takes the guesswork out of knowing how much to aim over (hold over) and to hit something which is further than your normal zero point.

 

However your mildots wont tell you how afr away the rabbit is! So you still have to be good at judging how far away the rabbit is, unless you have a range finder.

 

You practice with the same pellet so that you know what trajectory of the shot is like, and using targets spend an hour or however long you want on seeing where the pellet lands at different distances.

 

If you have a range finder (I dont but will buy one eventually) and it tells you the rabbits head is 30 meters away, and you know from testing it that the first mil dot down on your scope is where the pellet lands at that range, then you line it up... and you have a dead rabbit!

 

Sorry if I've repeated anything from above!

Jack

[zini 1,939]

Look at this mate,

 

A picture paints a 1000 words.

 

I hope this helps, its something i put together along time ago.

 

Si

Rifle and scope easy guide.doc

Edited May 23, 2010 by zini

[Phantom 631]

 

However your mildots wont tell you how afr away the rabbit is! So you still have to be good at judging how far away the rabbit is, unless you have a range finder.

 

Jack

 

Hey Jack, I'd agree with almost all you said, but the Mildot was developed by the military precisely for Range Finding by knowing the height of the target (or approximate height) you would then use the mildots to measure how far away the target was.

 

Once the distance to the target had been worked out, the sniper would dial in using the elevation turret this enabled him to place the crosshair exactly where he wanted the bullet to land, no hold over or hold under was required

 

There yah go, learn something new every day

 

Oh I think it was Darryl, Marksman who did a good description of using mildots on bunnies a little while back.

 

Phantom

[tepper82 0]

cleared it up perfectly as always lads.

 

nice 1

 

take it easy,

 

Tepper

[JackReid 35]

 

However your mildots wont tell you how afr away the rabbit is! So you still have to be good at judging how far away the rabbit is, unless you have a range finder.

 

Jack

 

Hey Jack, I'd agree with almost all you said, but the Mildot was developed by the military precisely for Range Finding by knowing the height of the target (or approximate height) you would then use the mildots to measure how far away the target was.

 

Once the distance to the target had been worked out, the sniper would dial in using the elevation turret this enabled him to place the crosshair exactly where he wanted the bullet to land, no hold over or hold under was required

 

There yah go, learn something new every day

 

Oh I think it was Darryl, Marksman who did a good description of using mildots on bunnies a little while back.

 

Phantom

 

I had heard slight bits about that mate cheers for outlining it.

 

I have before thought of looking at how big a target at my magnification setting looked in the reticle, then imagining that onto the predicted size of a bunny. But once again rabbits vary in size and although in an ideal world its possible to do I still think alot of guesswork is involved with rabbits if you were to do that. 2 or 3 meters wrong in airgunning (in .22 mainly) and you'll miss or wound. Just my thoughts.

 

Jack

[Phantom 631]

I had heard slight bits about that mate cheers for outlining it.

 

I have before thought of looking at how big a target at my magnification setting looked in the reticle, then imagining that onto the predicted size of a bunny. But once again rabbits vary in size and although in an ideal world its possible to do I still think alot of guesswork is involved with rabbits if you were to do that. 2 or 3 meters wrong in airgunning (in .22 mainly) and you'll miss or wound. Just my thoughts.

 

Jack

 

My pleasure, I've got a full detailed article about it, but it uses human targets as the standard way to do it and hight velocity 5.56 and 7.62mm rounds

 

Its not getting the range wrong, its getting the size of the bunny wrong, this as you correctly say can lead to a miscalculation in range and as you say may cause a wounding rather than a clean kill or more likely a clean overshoot of the bunny, alerting them to your presence and making em scarper while giving you the scutt

 

Phantom