SHOTGUNSNIPER 47 Posted April 3, 2010 Report Share Posted April 3, 2010 Now that predator season is over I have other activities planned for outing's one of these is shed antler hunting - I started Duce (my JRT) out as a pup playing with shed antlers , retrieving thrown shed's and finding hidden shed's. She has found a few out in the back country this last winter during predator hunts..... Now it is spring and the snakes are coming out in the lower elevations. The rattlers pose a problem and I don't want to lose my dog to a viper bite. So I ventured out yesterday afternoon to capature a rattle snake and was unsuccessful - we had a very rainy winter and the desert is lush and green and the pollen count was up. My allergy's kicked into high gear so I only made a short attempt at rattler catching - the higher mountain foliage dosn't affect my allergy's so i t looks like I will wait a month and find a mountain rattler... I know that snakes are not an issue in the UK but I thought maybe one of you might have heard of snake training. Here is how - I heard it is done from my bird dog friend. First you need a live rattler and a remote shock collar. Then you put the snake in the refrigerator to cool him down and make him lethargic - When the snake is slightly chilled put a stitch through the front its mouth using a large needle and 4 or 6 poung fishing line. This is done very carefully using needle nose pliers to push the needle through the snakes head and mouth. A trusted friend needs to hold the snake tightly behind the head while the stitcth is placed and the mouth tied shut. The stitch prevents the snake from biting and can be removed later if you wish to let the snake go or keep it. I don't give a shite about rattler and I usually kill the on sight. The rest is simple - let the snake warm up, put the shock collar on the dog and when the dog find's the snake and shows interest in the snake give him a zap. If 3 or 4 dog are being trained cycle them though this process 2 or three time until the dog avoids the snake. The dog handlers charge big $ for this in America. Any how I just thought you might be interested in hearing about this. SGS Quote Link to post
lampinglurcher 36 Posted April 6, 2010 Report Share Posted April 6, 2010 abit harsh? thats just cruel.. Quote Link to post
FightTheBan 1,147 Posted April 6, 2010 Report Share Posted April 6, 2010 what did they do before shock collars?just give the dog a slap?A lad i know had a lurcher that killed one of his chickens so he beat it to within an inch of its life and then tied the dead chicken to its collar for a few days,its never looked at one since lol not sure if that would work with a terrier though The lad you know..sounds like a fanny. His feckin fault for having an untrained dog near livestock, should have slapped himself. FTB Quote Link to post
erik 71 Posted April 6, 2010 Report Share Posted April 6, 2010 His feckin fault for having an untrained dog near livestock, should have slapped himself. FTB Quote Link to post
Hannah4181 260 Posted April 6, 2010 Report Share Posted April 6, 2010 The lad you know . .. what a total A hole! :wallbash: TRAIN a dog properly and you should NEVER need such harsh measures. Quote Link to post
Shadowstalker 2 Posted April 6, 2010 Report Share Posted April 6, 2010 The lad you know . .. what a total A hole! :wallbash: TRAIN a dog properly and should NEVER need such harsh measures. Spot on Quote Link to post
dogs-n-natives 1,182 Posted April 6, 2010 Report Share Posted April 6, 2010 Now that predator season is over I have other activities planned for outing's one of these is shed antler hunting - I started Duce (my JRT) out as a pup playing with shed antlers , retrieving thrown shed's and finding hidden shed's. She has found a few out in the back country this last winter during predator hunts..... Now it is spring and the snakes are coming out in the lower elevations. The rattlers pose a problem and I don't want to lose my dog to a viper bite. So I ventured out yesterday afternoon to capature a rattle snake and was unsuccessful - we had a very rainy winter and the desert is lush and green and the pollen count was up. My allergy's kicked into high gear so I only made a short attempt at rattler catching - the higher mountain foliage dosn't affect my allergy's so i t looks like I will wait a month and find a mountain rattler... I know that snakes are not an issue in the UK but I thought maybe one of you might have heard of snake training. Here is how - I heard it is done from my bird dog friend. First you need a live rattler and a remote shock collar. Then you put the snake in the refrigerator to cool him down and make him lethargic - When the snake is slightly chilled put a stitch through the front its mouth using a large needle and 4 or 6 poung fishing line. This is done very carefully using needle nose pliers to push the needle through the snakes head and mouth. A trusted friend needs to hold the snake tightly behind the head while the stitcth is placed and the mouth tied shut. The stitch prevents the snake from biting and can be removed later if you wish to let the snake go or keep it. I don't give a shite about rattler and I usually kill the on sight. The rest is simple - let the snake warm up, put the shock collar on the dog and when the dog find's the snake and shows interest in the snake give him a zap. If 3 or 4 dog are being trained cycle them though this process 2 or three time until the dog avoids the snake. The dog handlers charge big $ for this in America. Any how I just thought you might be interested in hearing about this. SGS bOn an estate I work on there were two dogs killed by adder bites in the same year. One was a labrador, which was bitten out wildfowling, taken to vets, but died few days later from liver failiour. The other a farm collie, was found dead in kennels in the morning, swollen face, it was assumed the wind pipe became swollen overnight. Ive had several close encounters between my dogs and adders, but they do have a natural fear or awareness that they are dangerous. My terriers have killed a few now, but they are unavoidable in my area. I am considering trying your methods of training with future young dogs, as its an accident waiting to happen. cheers Quote Link to post
lawrence 657 Posted April 6, 2010 Report Share Posted April 6, 2010 Thank god for St Pat, thats all i can say. Quote Link to post
SHOTGUNSNIPER 47 Posted April 6, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 6, 2010 Now that predator season is over I have other activities planned for outing's one of these is shed antler hunting - I started Duce (my JRT) out as a pup playing with shed antlers , retrieving thrown shed's and finding hidden shed's. She has found a few out in the back country this last winter during predator hunts..... Now it is spring and the snakes are coming out in the lower elevations. The rattlers pose a problem and I don't want to lose my dog to a viper bite. So I ventured out yesterday afternoon to capature a rattle snake and was unsuccessful - we had a very rainy winter and the desert is lush and green and the pollen count was up. My allergy's kicked into high gear so I only made a short attempt at rattler catching - the higher mountain foliage dosn't affect my allergy's so i t looks like I will wait a month and find a mountain rattler... I know that snakes are not an issue in the UK but I thought maybe one of you might have heard of snake training. Here is how - I heard it is done from my bird dog friend. First you need a live rattler and a remote shock collar. Then you put the snake in the refrigerator to cool him down and make him lethargic - When the snake is slightly chilled put a stitch through the front its mouth using a large needle and 4 or 6 poung fishing line. This is done very carefully using needle nose pliers to push the needle through the snakes head and mouth. A trusted friend needs to hold the snake tightly behind the head while the stitcth is placed and the mouth tied shut. The stitch prevents the snake from biting and can be removed later if you wish to let the snake go or keep it. I don't give a shite about rattler and I usually kill the on sight. The rest is simple - let the snake warm up, put the shock collar on the dog and when the dog find's the snake and shows interest in the snake give him a zap. If 3 or 4 dog are being trained cycle them though this process 2 or three time until the dog avoids the snake. The dog handlers charge big $ for this in America. Any how I just thought you might be interested in hearing about this. SGS bOn an estate I work on there were two dogs killed by adder bites in the same year. One was a labrador, which was bitten out wildfowling, taken to vets, but died few days later from liver failiour. The other a farm collie, was found dead in kennels in the morning, swollen face, it was assumed the wind pipe became swollen overnight. Ive had several close encounters between my dogs and adders, but they do have a natural fear or awareness that they are dangerous. My terriers have killed a few now, but they are unavoidable in my area. I am considering trying your methods of training with future young dogs, as its an accident waiting to happen. cheers We still have not captured a rattler for the training. I will get photos of stitching the snake mouth shut when we find a rattler. It should make an interesting post. Are there poison snakes there in the UK? I thought Saint Pat led them all into the sea..... Quote Link to post
riohog 5,939 Posted April 6, 2010 Report Share Posted April 6, 2010 what did they do before shock collars?just give the dog a slap?A lad i know had a lurcher that killed one of his chickens so he beat it to within an inch of its life and then tied the dead chicken to its collar for a few days,its never looked at one since lol not sure if that would work with a terrier though dot think there was any need to do that to a dog but mybe a good punishment for dog theives ,pedos and murderers!!!!! Quote Link to post
dogs-n-natives 1,182 Posted April 6, 2010 Report Share Posted April 6, 2010 Now that predator season is over I have other activities planned for outing's one of these is shed antler hunting - I started Duce (my JRT) out as a pup playing with shed antlers , retrieving thrown shed's and finding hidden shed's. She has found a few out in the back country this last winter during predator hunts..... Now it is spring and the snakes are coming out in the lower elevations. The rattlers pose a problem and I don't want to lose my dog to a viper bite. So I ventured out yesterday afternoon to capature a rattle snake and was unsuccessful - we had a very rainy winter and the desert is lush and green and the pollen count was up. My allergy's kicked into high gear so I only made a short attempt at rattler catching - the higher mountain foliage dosn't affect my allergy's so i t looks like I will wait a month and find a mountain rattler... I know that snakes are not an issue in the UK but I thought maybe one of you might have heard of snake training. Here is how - I heard it is done from my bird dog friend. First you need a live rattler and a remote shock collar. Then you put the snake in the refrigerator to cool him down and make him lethargic - When the snake is slightly chilled put a stitch through the front its mouth using a large needle and 4 or 6 poung fishing line. This is done very carefully using needle nose pliers to push the needle through the snakes head and mouth. A trusted friend needs to hold the snake tightly behind the head while the stitcth is placed and the mouth tied shut. The stitch prevents the snake from biting and can be removed later if you wish to let the snake go or keep it. I don't give a shite about rattler and I usually kill the on sight. The rest is simple - let the snake warm up, put the shock collar on the dog and when the dog find's the snake and shows interest in the snake give him a zap. If 3 or 4 dog are being trained cycle them though this process 2 or three time until the dog avoids the snake. The dog handlers charge big $ for this in America. Any how I just thought you might be interested in hearing about this. SGS bOn an estate I work on there were two dogs killed by adder bites in the same year. One was a labrador, which was bitten out wildfowling, taken to vets, but died few days later from liver failiour. The other a farm collie, was found dead in kennels in the morning, swollen face, it was assumed the wind pipe became swollen overnight. Ive had several close encounters between my dogs and adders, but they do have a natural fear or awareness that they are dangerous. My terriers have killed a few now, but they are unavoidable in my area. I am considering trying your methods of training with future young dogs, as its an accident waiting to happen. cheers We still have not captured a rattler for the training. I will get photos of stitching the snake mouth shut when we find a rattler. It should make an interesting post. Are there poison snakes there in the UK? I thought Saint Pat led them all into the sea..... lol... just the adder, in Scotland/England/Wales (not Ireland) and they are fully protected so i couldnt catch one and secure its mouth like you can... however i was thinking that the electric collar could have helped me at times. Quote Link to post
SHOTGUNSNIPER 47 Posted April 6, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 6, 2010 Now that predator season is over I have other activities planned for outing's one of these is shed antler hunting - I started Duce (my JRT) out as a pup playing with shed antlers , retrieving thrown shed's and finding hidden shed's. She has found a few out in the back country this last winter during predator hunts..... Now it is spring and the snakes are coming out in the lower elevations. The rattlers pose a problem and I don't want to lose my dog to a viper bite. So I ventured out yesterday afternoon to capature a rattle snake and was unsuccessful - we had a very rainy winter and the desert is lush and green and the pollen count was up. My allergy's kicked into high gear so I only made a short attempt at rattler catching - the higher mountain foliage dosn't affect my allergy's so i t looks like I will wait a month and find a mountain rattler... I know that snakes are not an issue in the UK but I thought maybe one of you might have heard of snake training. Here is how - I heard it is done from my bird dog friend. First you need a live rattler and a remote shock collar. Then you put the snake in the refrigerator to cool him down and make him lethargic - When the snake is slightly chilled put a stitch through the front its mouth using a large needle and 4 or 6 poung fishing line. This is done very carefully using needle nose pliers to push the needle through the snakes head and mouth. A trusted friend needs to hold the snake tightly behind the head while the stitcth is placed and the mouth tied shut. The stitch prevents the snake from biting and can be removed later if you wish to let the snake go or keep it. I don't give a shite about rattler and I usually kill the on sight. The rest is simple - let the snake warm up, put the shock collar on the dog and when the dog find's the snake and shows interest in the snake give him a zap. If 3 or 4 dog are being trained cycle them though this process 2 or three time until the dog avoids the snake. The dog handlers charge big $ for this in America. Any how I just thought you might be interested in hearing about this. SGS bOn an estate I work on there were two dogs killed by adder bites in the same year. One was a labrador, which was bitten out wildfowling, taken to vets, but died few days later from liver failiour. The other a farm collie, was found dead in kennels in the morning, swollen face, it was assumed the wind pipe became swollen overnight. Ive had several close encounters between my dogs and adders, but they do have a natural fear or awareness that they are dangerous. My terriers have killed a few now, but they are unavoidable in my area. I am considering trying your methods of training with future young dogs, as its an accident waiting to happen. cheers We still have not captured a rattler for the training. I will get photos of stitching the snake mouth shut when we find a rattler. It should make an interesting post. Are there poison snakes there in the UK? I thought Saint Pat led them all into the sea..... lol... just the adder, in Scotland/England/Wales (not Ireland) and they are fully protected so i couldnt catch one and secure its mouth like you can... however i was thinking that the electric collar could have helped me at times. Yes I tried the electric collar for keeping the Missus out of the Casino - I think that is why she up an left me - Life has been grand since! SGS Quote Link to post
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