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the shot gun certificate has to have a person who is law abiding and reasonable to the community who can sign you off as a good friend and your not a bad person or idiot!!!

the fire arms certificate can be by any tom dick and harry who say they know you and your not a risk

i personally think they should have the same critiera

all i was stating in my first statement was your need for an open ticket

you have permission and lots of it you might get the odd phone call by land owners so the paragraphs what i said put on your ticket will give you full control not the ploice and they and should not refuse your application

hope this helps new starters and renewals soon please take note

this is going to get more of you involved and the right to roam

 

please let me know in future if its successful

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I think we are all playing with words here..

 

put VERY VERY simply

 

You have a right to a Shotgun unless the police can show why not!!

 

You have NO right to a firearm unless you can show the police why!!

 

But you still have that right at law. You still have to show the police that you have a right to a SGC; for instance you have to show that you are not a prohibited person, are not a danger to public safety or the peace, haven't got problems with drugs or alcohol, etc. You have to show all these things for an FAC but you just need to show one more thing along with it - "good reason" in law.

 

Essentially, the police have to show exactly the same thing to refuse an FAC application as they do a SGC application - it's just that you have to state your reason up front.

 

You cannot start off from the position that you have no right to an FAC because this gives the impression that it is somehow in the gift of the police - which it isn't. If you have no right to an FAC because of the criteria which you have to meet then it is equally true to say that you have no right to a SGC becauase of the criteria you have to meet. It's just that the criteria are slightly different. It's probably true that fewer people may be able to meet the criteria for an FAC but, the bottom line is that if you do meet those criteria then you have a right in law to be granted either.

 

 

I'm not argueing..just like I said we are playing with words, thats all!! :thumbs:

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